Yet another Religious atrocity

He was pictured with the killers of Lee Rigby as well wasn't he? Don't know his personal views but I wouldn't think they were liberal ones if he was associating with the groups those men did.

All my information has come from that Mail article so not sure about the photos with Lee Rigby's killers.

It says he "marched on an embassy" with Anjem Chowdhury and the killers of Lee Rigby. 

I think we'd have to be pretty naive to think he wasn't fully aware of what Chowdhury's group stands for.

but who can say.

True and he probably was and is radical.

But there's a difference between being at the same march as islamists and being one. I went to a pro-palestinian march last summer, I'm not an Islamist.

but would you have attended that rally if it was organised by the BNP (for example obviously)

I don't agree with barely any american foreign policy decisions but I wouldn't march with Anjem Chowdhury If I had a gun to my head. 

and anyway you can really be an "islamist" in this country it's illegal, which is why I suspect his daughter was desperate to join IS.

We can gloss over it as much as we like but my personal take is that the father is probably ' taters deep ' in the whole sorry business and is probably the most culpable person responsible for his daughter heading for Syria.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:but would you have attended that rally if it was organised by the BNP (for example obviously)

I don't agree with barely any american foreign policy decisions but I wouldn't march with Anjem Chowdhury If I had a gun to my head. 

and anyway you can really be an "islamist" in this country it's illegal, which is why I suspect his daughter was desperate to join IS.

But that's my point, where does it say the protest was arranged by Anjem Chowdhury? Or any other islamist group? 

I'm not saying it wasn't, all I'm pointing out is this article condemns him as a passionate radical islamist based on being at one rally which they give next to no info on, radicals often hijack and polarise issues and take them away from a sensible debate.

The rhetoric of the article is well over the top and needs some real evidence to back it up in order to be taken seriously. The fact no other news outlet has picked it up suggests the serious media outlets would agree with the need for more evidence first.

This is the original article I saw last week I think that said the march was "led" by him. 

whether thats true or not I've no idea. Again I think you'd have a decent idea of the ideology behind these marches but maybe he's the victim in all this. 

the article posted above is an opinion piece by Peter Hitchens so I'm not surprised at what it says honestly.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013703/Father-jihadi-bride-schoolgirl-attended-2012-Islamist-rally-attended-Lee-Rigby-s-killer-led-preacher-Anjem-Choudary.html

The Beast makes a very good point in saying "If White had been a Muslim the investigation into his motivation would have essentially been over once his faith had been ascertained" - so racial stereotyping is as rampant in the USA as it is here.
That on top of the other excellent point: If he'd been Muslim it would have been all over the world's press.

Put them together and it's not hard to see the racism that the media seek to appeal to and the media's role in creating a reactionary response in young Muslims.

To what extent is the sensationalisation and stereotyping of jihadi activity by the media ACTUALLY CAUSING stigmatised young British kids to become radicalised or at least sympathetic to the IS cause?

I think the media are as responsible for the cause of the problem just as much as the Americans, the corporations and their puppet governments who create/maintain the injustice and inequality jihadists are allegedly fighting against.

The role of the media in the UK seems to be to stigmatise and demonise ALL young British Asian Muslims who rightly feel they are being undermined by their own British Government in the country of their birth and a society that makes it clear that they don't like them.

Racists complain that young British-born Asians "should integrate or get out" - and at the same time the British media implies that they are terrorists by tagging all Muslims with the stigma of terrorism, even though it's a tiny, tiny percent of nutters that actually do anything.

So as long as we continue to be racist towards British Asians and our media continues to create lazy racist journalism we are in with a very good chance of increasing support for the IS cause amongst young British people.

Islam is not a race though. 

And from reading that article it seems personal grudges were at the heart of his actions rather than anything political which I don't need to tell you defines terrorism.

Had he been Muslim though, do you think this would have been reported differently?

1874 why have you got Russell Brand as your avi you chav.

That's our Lord and Saviour THE HARRYKANE

I thought you joined the 'bellend' club there for a moment.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Islam is not a race though. 

It is in the mind of xenophobic masses who the media target though. They consistently show they cannot differentiate between races and cultures which is why you get thread titles like "Yet another Islamic Atrocity" and newspaper headlines to match. Much easier to lump them together under Islam so they can all feel unwelcome and fail to integrate as demanded.

wanderlust wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Islam is not a race though. 

It is in the mind of xenophobic masses who the media target though. They consistently show they cannot differentiate between races and cultures which is why you get thread titles like "Yet another Islamic Atrocity" and newspaper headlines to match. Much easier to lump them together under Islam so they can all feel unwelcome and fail to integrate as demanded.

Maybe but it seems both sides of the argument can't differentiate between religion and race quite honestly.

wanderlust wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Islam is not a race though. 

It is in the mind of xenophobic masses who the media target though. They consistently show they cannot differentiate between races and cultures which is why you get thread titles like "Yet another Islamic Atrocity" and newspaper headlines to match. Much easier to lump them together under Islam so they can all feel unwelcome and fail to integrate as demanded.

So what do you think a thread about acts of appalling violence committed by people in the name of a specific religion which happens to be Islam should be called?

xmiles wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Islam is not a race though. 

It is in the mind of xenophobic masses who the media target though. They consistently show they cannot differentiate between races and cultures which is why you get thread titles like "Yet another Islamic Atrocity" and newspaper headlines to match. Much easier to lump them together under Islam so they can all feel unwelcome and fail to integrate as demanded.

So what do you think a thread about acts of appalling violence committed by people in the name of a specific religion which happens to be Islam should be called?

The "Atrocities committed by a very small minority of devoutly religious citizens of the world, who due to a suspected intellectual disability, have nearly destroyed the entire middle east. This is due to them misinterpreting the 'guidelines' in their chosen religion and nothing whatsoever to do with place of birth, sexual orientation or skin color." Thread.

Reebok_Rebel wrote:Atrocities committed by a very small minority of devoutly religious citizens of the world, who due to a suspected intellectual disability, have nearly destroyed the entire middle east. 

That's pretty much our (as in the West & Russia's) fault to be fair.