You'd Have To Be Dim To Vote Anything But Tory

Copper Dragon wrote:

y2johnny wrote:
A vote for anything other than labour is a vote for the tories i feel

Is that the Labour slogan now Johnny because they are a load of wishy washy distressed grey furniture collectors?

I'll vote as I always do,  but don't blame me for folk thinking  'lets twist it and say you've voted Tory'.

I just think it will be a close call same as last time and to be fair tories could say the same thing.

Clem Attlee was a meek person by all accounts but surrounded himself with a good team.
Cameron has never been anything else but a bully and Johnson would be the same. It comes from being born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

I knew starting this thread would show what a bunch of tosspots you lot are.

I said look at the Tory policies that have worked. No "ifs" or "buts" just proven facts. The economy is growing and unemployment is down. Of course it's far from perfect but it's a damn sight better than when Labour were in charge.

The majority of you seem to be voting on personality. Of course the Tories are a bunch of slimy wankers, but do you think Labour politicians are any different? Did Ed Milliband go to a comprehensive school in Bolton? Did he fook.

Amazing that so many so-called intelligent folk can't see past "rich, toffee nosed Tories" to look at the actual facts.

You idiots.

Soul Kitchen wrote:Clem Attlee was a meek person by all accounts but surrounded himself with a good team.
Cameron has never been anything else but a bully and Johnson would be the same. It comes from being born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

If it comes from having a silver spoon in your mouth -then we're in real trouble. Because that is exactly what Ed Milliband was born with. They're a wealthy family of intellectual socialists who spout theory with no practical understanding or underpinning. 
 Both  party leaders are from wealthy backgrounds-neither of whom have ever really been close to the real issues of poverty, unemployment and deprivation that others have written about here.

Vote Ed- get Alex Salmond dictating policy in a country (it's called England) that he despises.
 I'm already sick of the empty promises they're all making. All the guff that both parties come out  with on a daily basis  are just hot air- almost none of it will filter through to action if they are elected.
 The real curse of politics in Britain today is that we have no great politicians- just a bunch of political careerists who would sell their soul for a parliamentary seat where they can kiss backsides to get a junior ministry and a bigger pay packet and eventual payoff.
Politics used to be an honourable profession for people who actually cared. Its now just a job for a set of overpaid whores who do what the party whip tells them.
See the word-Whip?? That about sums them up. Will they do what you (the voter) wants. No-of course they won't -they'll do what they're told to do.

Harsh, rammy, harsh. Like roles in all walks of life, there are some good and some bad attracted to it, and I know many who care deeply, and do it as they want to make things better. As for the money, in local government, we get an allowance, I claim no expenses despite having to drive to places round the authority, pay parking, get trains, etc etc, and my allowance works out at around 9p an hour. It can largely be thankless, as local councillors can get blamed for stuff entirely out of their control "no sir, I'm afraid I am not authorised to shoot the seagulls on your roof, though maybe if you used the food recycling bins we gave you, they would be less likely to always pick your house?' It can be the best role in the world when you get someone happily rehomed from an abusive situation.

Chairmanda wrote:Harsh, rammy, harsh. Like roles in all walks of life, there are some good and some bad attracted to it, and I know many who care deeply, and do it as they want to make things better. As for the money, in local government, we get an allowance, I claim no expenses despite having to drive to places round the authority, pay parking, get trains, etc etc, and my allowance works out at around 9p an hour. It can largely be thankless, as local councillors can get blamed for stuff entirely out of their control "no sir, I'm afraid I am not authorised to shoot the seagulls on your roof, though maybe if you used the food recycling bins we gave you, they would be less likely to always pick your house?' It can be the best role in the world when you get someone happily rehomed from an abusive situation.

To be honest Manda I was talking about the career politicians in Westminster. My father in-law was on Bury council for 35 years and never claimed a penny- not even for postage.  He saw it a civic duty to represent his ward. But that was a different generation. So I understand the dedication of local councillors, who, for the main part are swayed to stand for all the right reasons.
It's the blethering mob at Westminster who promise the earth but can deliver next to nothing who get my goat.

I don't think it's wise to vote simply on personality. Surely it's the ethos and what the party stands for that counts? Political leaders come and go but the parties and their fundamental principles remain.
This great nation of ours was built on the backs of the working classes. The Lords and landed gentry with all the trappings of wealth ruling over the masses ( serfs ) who were paid a pittance for their labour while the rich got richer. It was Labour who first implemented the National Health Service way back in 1948 at Park hospital in Trafford. Less than 10 years ago it was a fully operational hospital with 24 hours A & E and also had a premature baby unit. 
Today it is a shell of it's former self. The Baby Care unit was closed down due to cutbacks and early births in Trafford are now delivered at Salford Royal. Likewise there is no A & E after 8pm. After that time all patients are taken to Wythenshawe or Salford. The ratepayers in Trafford have effectively become disenfranchised even though they are still paying rates and National Insurance. The bulk of these cuts were carried out by the Tories. Trafford is one of the few councils with a Tory majority in the whole of Greater Manchester. The wealthy millionaires of Altrincham, Bowdon, Hale, Hale Barns, Timperley, Sale and Brooklands would vote for a monkey if it was wearing a blue rosette.

Just look at our armed forces. More cutbacks are due to take place if we get another five years of Tory rule. It's easy to declare war when it isn't your children who are shedding their lifeblood in some god forsaken desert in the back of beyond. The majority of the frontline troops at the business end of these campaigns will have been cultivated from working class backgrounds who chose the army as an alternative to long term unemployment. The only Tories who seem to be in the armed forces appear to be senior officers who rose through the ranks via the Officer entry schemes. When you see them on the news they all seem to have double barrelled surnames and talk as if they are juggling a plum in their mouth.

If you are wealthy then by all means vote Tory. You won't notice anything different and your standard of living will pretty much remain the same. It's the working class, the poor, the disabled and the unemployed who are going to really feel it if the British public vote for another 5 years of austerity. Most of the Tory party wouldn't know austerity if they fell over it.

Natasha Whittam wrote:I knew starting this thread would show what a bunch of tosspots you lot are.

I said look at the Tory policies that have worked. No "ifs" or "buts" just proven facts. The economy is growing and unemployment is down. Of course it's far from perfect but it's a damn sight better than when Labour were in charge.

The majority of you seem to be voting on personality. Of course the Tories are a bunch of slimy wankers, but do you think Labour politicians are any different? Did Ed Milliband go to a comprehensive school in Bolton? Did he fook.

Amazing that so many so-called intelligent folk can't see past "rich, toffee nosed Tories" to look at the actual facts.

You idiots.

Correct me if I'm wrong but six months ago you was having Farage's babies?!

rammywhite wrote:

Soul Kitchen wrote:Clem Attlee was a meek person by all accounts but surrounded himself with a good team.
Cameron has never been anything else but a bully and Johnson would be the same. It comes from being born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

If it comes from having a silver spoon in your mouth -then we're in real trouble. Because that is exactly what Ed Milliband was born with. They're a wealthy family of intellectual socialists who spout theory with no practical understanding or underpinning. 
 Both  party leaders are from wealthy backgrounds-neither of whom have ever really been close to the real issues of poverty, unemployment and deprivation that others have written about here.

Vote Ed- get Alex Salmond dictating policy in a country (it's called England) that he despises.
 I'm already sick of the empty promises they're all making. All the guff that both parties come out  with on a daily basis  are just hot air- almost none of it will filter through to action if they are elected.
 The real curse of politics in Britain today is that we have no great politicians- just a bunch of political careerists who would sell their soul for a parliamentary seat where they can kiss backsides to get a junior ministry and a bigger pay packet and eventual payoff.
Politics used to be an honourable profession for people who actually cared. Its now just a job for a set of overpaid whores who do what the party whip tells them.
See the word-Whip?? That about sums them up. Will they do what you (the voter) wants. No-of course they won't -they'll do what they're told to do.

Can actually see a coalition of three parties tbh.
Our mp doesn't fall into the silver spoon bracket. He's a nob though! I've worked with him!!!

Reebok Trotter wrote:I don't think it's wise to vote simply on personality. Surely it's the ethos and what the party stands for that counts? Political leaders come and go but the parties and their fundamental principles remain.
This great nation of ours was built on the backs of the working classes. The Lords and landed gentry with all the trappings of wealth ruling over the masses ( serfs ) who were paid a pittance for their labour while the rich got richer. It was Labour who first implemented the National Health Service way back in 1948 at Park hospital in Trafford. Less than 10 years ago it was a fully operational hospital with 24 hours A & E and also had a premature baby unit. 
Today it is a shell of it's former self. The Baby Care unit was closed down due to cutbacks and early births in Trafford are now delivered at Salford Royal. Likewise there is no A & E after 8pm. After that time all patients are taken to Wythenshawe or Salford. The ratepayers in Trafford have effectively become disenfranchised even though they are still paying rates and National Insurance. The bulk of these cuts were carried out by the Tories. Trafford is one of the few councils with a Tory majority in the whole of Greater Manchester. The wealthy millionaires of Altrincham, Bowdon, Hale, Hale Barns, Timperley, Sale and Brooklands would vote for a monkey if it was wearing a blue rosette.

Just look at our armed forces. More cutbacks are due to take place if we get another five years of Tory rule. It's easy to declare war when it isn't your children who are shedding their lifeblood in some god forsaken desert in the back of beyond. The majority of the frontline troops at the business end of these campaigns will have been cultivated from working class backgrounds who chose the army as an alternative to long term unemployment. The only Tories who seem to be in the armed forces appear to be senior officers who rose through the ranks via the Officer entry schemes. When you see them on the news they all seem to have double barrelled surnames and talk as if they are juggling a plum in their mouth.

If you are wealthy then by all means vote Tory. You won't notice anything different and your standard of living will pretty much remain the same. It's the working class, the poor, the disabled and the unemployed who are going to really feel it if the British public vote for another 5 years of austerity. Most of the Tory party wouldn't know austerity if they fell over it.

Spot on RT and very much as I see it.

Reebok Trotter wrote:I don't think it's wise to vote simply on personality. Surely it's the ethos and what the party stands for that counts? Political leaders come and go but the parties and their fundamental principles remain.
This great nation of ours was built on the backs of the working classes. The Lords and landed gentry with all the trappings of wealth ruling over the masses ( serfs ) who were paid a pittance for their labour while the rich got richer. It was Labour who first implemented the National Health Service way back in 1948 at Park hospital in Trafford. Less than 10 years ago it was a fully operational hospital with 24 hours A & E and also had a premature baby unit. 
Today it is a shell of it's former self. The Baby Care unit was closed down due to cutbacks and early births in Trafford are now delivered at Salford Royal. Likewise there is no A & E after 8pm. After that time all patients are taken to Wythenshawe or Salford. The ratepayers in Trafford have effectively become disenfranchised even though they are still paying rates and National Insurance. The bulk of these cuts were carried out by the Tories. Trafford is one of the few councils with a Tory majority in the whole of Greater Manchester. The wealthy millionaires of Altrincham, Bowdon, Hale, Hale Barns, Timperley, Sale and Brooklands would vote for a monkey if it was wearing a blue rosette.

Just look at our armed forces. More cutbacks are due to take place if we get another five years of Tory rule. It's easy to declare war when it isn't your children who are shedding their lifeblood in some god forsaken desert in the back of beyond. The majority of the frontline troops at the business end of these campaigns will have been cultivated from working class backgrounds who chose the army as an alternative to long term unemployment. The only Tories who seem to be in the armed forces appear to be senior officers who rose through the ranks via the Officer entry schemes. When you see them on the news they all seem to have double barrelled surnames and talk as if they are juggling a plum in their mouth.

If you are wealthy then by all means vote Tory. You won't notice anything different and your standard of living will pretty much remain the same. It's the working class, the poor, the disabled and the unemployed who are going to really feel it if the British public vote for another 5 years of austerity. Most of the Tory party wouldn't know austerity if they fell over it.

once again RT has it spot on, a man after my own heart

Reebok Trotter wrote:I don't think it's wise to vote simply on personality. Surely it's the ethos and what the party stands for that counts? Political leaders come and go but the parties and their fundamental principles remain.
This great nation of ours was built on the backs of the working classes. The Lords and landed gentry with all the trappings of wealth ruling over the masses ( serfs ) who were paid a pittance for their labour while the rich got richer. It was Labour who first implemented the National Health Service way back in 1948 at Park hospital in Trafford. Less than 10 years ago it was a fully operational hospital with 24 hours A & E and also had a premature baby unit. 
Today it is a shell of it's former self. The Baby Care unit was closed down due to cutbacks and early births in Trafford are now delivered at Salford Royal. Likewise there is no A & E after 8pm. After that time all patients are taken to Wythenshawe or Salford. The ratepayers in Trafford have effectively become disenfranchised even though they are still paying rates and National Insurance. The bulk of these cuts were carried out by the Tories. Trafford is one of the few councils with a Tory majority in the whole of Greater Manchester. The wealthy millionaires of Altrincham, Bowdon, Hale, Hale Barns, Timperley, Sale and Brooklands would vote for a monkey if it was wearing a blue rosette.

Just look at our armed forces. More cutbacks are due to take place if we get another five years of Tory rule. It's easy to declare war when it isn't your children who are shedding their lifeblood in some god forsaken desert in the back of beyond. The majority of the frontline troops at the business end of these campaigns will have been cultivated from working class backgrounds who chose the army as an alternative to long term unemployment. The only Tories who seem to be in the armed forces appear to be senior officers who rose through the ranks via the Officer entry schemes. When you see them on the news they all seem to have double barrelled surnames and talk as if they are juggling a plum in their mouth.

If you are wealthy then by all means vote Tory. You won't notice anything different and your standard of living will pretty much remain the same. It's the working class, the poor, the disabled and the unemployed who are going to really feel it if the British public vote for another 5 years of austerity. Most of the Tory party wouldn't know austerity if they fell over it.

Great post RT

The pricks that don't see what RT has posted are beyond dim in my opinion, just fooking sheep!!

I could be wrong but I don't remember food banks during the last Labour government. Perhaps it's something else we have got to thank the Tories for!

Those Tory millionaires don't give a shit about you, but those Labour Millionaires do because of something that happened 75 years ago. 

Give me a break, it's time to face reality, the rich will always land on their feet, they're rich. Jealousy and class hatred isn't going to make you me or anyone else rich. In fact I'd be happy to pay more tax and be even poorer if it allowed me the opportunity to see affordable housing, better local facilities, roads, railways, health care etc etc, it is possible to have less money and still have a better standard of living, I suspect most people don't think that, but I do.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Those Tory millionaires don't give a shit about you, but those Labour Millionaires do because of something that happened 75 years ago. 

Give me a break, it's time to face reality, the rich will always land on their feet, they're rich. Jealousy and class hatred isn't going to make you me or anyone else rich. In fact I'd be happy to pay more tax and be even poorer if it allowed me the opportunity to see affordable housing, better local facilities, roads, railways, health care etc etc, it is possible to have less money and still have a better standard of living, I suspect most people don't think that, but I do.

I completely agree with that, and feel the same way but I don't see how you can think your going to get a better standard living from a Tory government which is obsessed with selling off and privatising as many things as possible. Once public services become private the standards and quality of service invariably drops because every company's main priority is profit not service. 

Sorry I'm making the assumption your voting Tory.

Hipster_Nebula wrote: Jealousy and class hatred isn't going to make you me or anyone else rich.

It has nothing to do with jealousy or class hatred. Thatcher started her class war with the miners strike and continued to do the same with the Steelworks, and her finest hour in implementing real class war was the introduction of the Poll Tax.
I don't want to be rich. I never have. I simply wish to be able to go to work and live comfortably. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm not going to achieve my wish on a Zero hours contract now am I?

Reebok Trotter wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote: Jealousy and class hatred isn't going to make you me or anyone else rich.

It has nothing to do with jealousy or class hatred. Thatcher started her class war with the miners strike and continued to do the same with the Steelworks, and her finest hour in implementing real class war was the introduction of the Poll Tax.
I don't want to be rich. I never have. I simply wish to be able to go to work and live comfortably. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm not going to achieve my wish on a Zero hours contract now am I?

I'm gonna guess you're not on a zero hours contract RT. 

And I made the class war comment because you seemed to have a problem with people with double barrel names and "plums" in their gob. 

I do resent those born into it at times I think we all do but It's not going to improve my life seething away at "injustice" this is a capitalist society, I've accepted my place in it now, but I still want the opportunities I deserve as a citizen, affordable housing, a good standard of living, a thriving high street with strong local business, top class rail and road links, superb infrastructure, this country should have all of that IMO and I'm happy to pay for it.  

I'm not voting Tory btw, never have and never will, but I think it's naivety in the extreme to think the "values" of the labour movement still exist in the party today. 

They care about the armed forces? Thats why they killed 510 of our brave soldiers in a pointless double war, oh and spent about 2 billion pounds a second to do so, bankrupting the country, which by the way, is why people have to rely on food banks and work zero hour contracts now. 

I'm afraid when the government before you sets the country on fire and leaves you with rubble to pay for the repairs, you're going to have to hack and slash. Not even going to mention Tory policy on health, education and border control because It's all been a disaster but to suggest Labour have good intentions is laughable.

The political landscape in Norfolk ranges between the Tories and Genghis Khan School of Public Relations party so it's a tricky one.
Won't vote Tory as they have systematically widened the gap between the rich and - well, everyone else - but in a direct parallel with HN's tale of voting Labour in Scotland, the Tories will dominate rural Norfolk regardless of what I vote.

Which is why it irks me that this country isn't mature enough to have a "one man, one vote" system where everyone's vote is worth the same as each other - proportional representation for example.
The main argument against PR is that it removes "personality" as an issue because you vote for policies, not people - which is difficult to get past in a society obsessed with popular culture and that generally doesn't understand what the policies are or what they will mean when enacted.

And given this year's crop of no-mark idiots standing for parliament maybe that's no bad thing? I certainly think that people should vote for actual policies rather than haircut, speaking voice or comedic value.
I would like my vote to be worth the same as everyone else's - at the moment it's worth more than someone who lives in e.g. Preston or Bolton but I object on the basis that I believe we should have democracy in the UK.

As a guideline, the mean population of an urban borough parliamentary constituency is 103,400 whilst the mean for a rural county constituency is 94, 900. Welsh constituencies average only 76, 900.

All of them get just the 1 MP.
So although the stats include non-voting children, it gives an indication that the Tories who dominate rural politics can get an MP for 8.2% less votes than it takes Labour to get an MP in an urban seat.

Put another way, my vote is worth 8.2% more than the vote of someone who lives in Manchester or Newcastle for example. Welsh votes are worth even more.

Under PR each party lists it's candidates in order and the higher the percentage of the total national vote they get, the more MPs on the list are appointed. That removes the need for "tactical voting" so if I didn't want the Tories to get in round here, my best bet would be to vote LibDem - even though I wouldn't necessarily do so if I had a free choice.

Not sure how I'll vote when it comes down to it, but the fact that we don't have a fair electoral system in this country is very off-putting.

Reebok Trotter wrote:I could be wrong but I don't remember food banks during the last Labour government. Perhaps it's something else we have got to thank the Tories for!

Absolute bullshit - food banks appeared as a direct result of Labour.