Sluffy wrote: wanderlust wrote: Sluffy wrote: Breadman wrote:So two hours after this thread was created, nobody has come up with anything insightful.
Or, in fact, anything at all.
One random photo of an Athena poster, a copy & paste job from Sluffy about the results in East Anglia, a "joke" about people from Norfolk being thick and a statement from Mr Pig (which I agree with) about why nobody's piping up.
Come on....let's hear some expectations.
I wouldn't ever vote to change a system if I didn't have a clue what the alternative was, so what am I missing?
I think what you are missing is that a large majority of the English and Welsh electorate felt that they were feeling little if any benefit from the EU and their issues of concern
Hang on a bit. It was 17 million - a QUARTER of the British people who made this decision - or 36% of those eligible to vote.
I read what you are saying but am no clearer about what leave voters expect to happen now.
I ask because I believe and have said all along that there is a MASSIVE difference between what they thought they were voting for, and what their leaders are capable of delivering - but obviously I could be wrong so am open to being told what it is I am missing.
This is turning into a regular occurrence with you Lusty NOT reading my post or completely missing the point.
First of all I clearly said a large majority of the ELECTORATE not POPULATION.
I even qualified that by saying the ENGLISH and WELSH electorate and NOT the total electorate where Scotland and N. Ireland voted to remain.
It is also absolutely meaningless to quibble about those that DIN'T vote on the day as that was their choice not to participate and thereby by default accept the decision of the majority who did.
So your remarks of a QUARTER of the people made this decision or 36% of those eligible is complete and utter bollocks.
As for what you are missing it seems simple enough to me but your obvious personal prejudice on this matter seems to prevent you from seeing it, it is that people are sick and tired of how they have not been heard over day to day things that matter directly to them namely immigration and the consequences arising from it (housing, health, education, increasing marginalisation in their own country, etc) and they had an opportunity to have their say free from any accusations of being a racist.
Most people are not racist but fear to be accused of being so if they voiced their concerns about how immigration in their communality has negatively effected them.
They don't care about the economic impact on this country in ten years, five years or even twelve months time, they are simply fed up of feeling like they have no longer any say over what happens in their own country - even on their own street - anymore. They are sick of the feeling of being fucked over and having to smile about it rather than be accused of being racist.
The elephant has been in the room for a very long time now and the Brexit vote was shown to be across the board from all social and demographic groups and areas. Take away Scotland and N Ireland where the migrant issue has not impacted greatly upon them, there was a tidal wave of authorities ranging from true blue to militant red voting to say enough is enough and we rather take our chances on the unknown that put up with this for a day longer.
I don't think I'm giving to much away to say I have extensive working knowledge of social, political and community work and could see this coming in the area which I am involved in which came as a huge shock to the local politicians who had no idea of the disconnect people had because people who have simply passed on these concerns to them in the past are seen as 'racists' rather than 'realists'.
I dare say this disconnect was widespread across the whole country too as the results from English and Welsh constituencies one by one returned a Brexit majority.
We get what we deserve in this life and the Brexit is simply the reaction of a vast majority of people who have not had the concerns addressed in respect of the impact of mass migration into this country in the last decade by the ruling political partys during that time.
Remember Browns comment about that woman who raised the matter when he was campaigning - that she was a racist. Well maybe she was but the point she tried to make was real enough and two general elections later it still had not been addressed.
That is why people voted to leave.
They felt they had no other choice in order to make their voice heard on the matter.
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