What do Brexiters expect?

Breadman wrote:

We don't deserve to be in Europe- we're not sophisticated enough and we still think we're better than everybody else despite all the evidence to the contrary.

You need to let it go. All the doom and gloom that was going to happen simply hasn't.

The pound has suffered, but that can happen at anytime and it will recover.

I noticed that petrol had dropped a penny this morning around Preston and Chorley, despite scare stories that it would immediately rise 10p a litre.

Canada, Australia and New Zealand are desperate to create new trade agreements with us - and they're a much better bet than much of Europe for stability and growth.

The government is now in a better place, May has already kicked out most of Cameron's cronies and will turn out to be a much better leader.

The long term future is bright, the short term nowhere near as bad as predicted by the so-called experts.

I think Breadman is actually gutted nothing much has happened, and there is a huge queue of the world wanting to do business with us, and foreign food is shit, the goon does have a point.

Breadman wrote:I met a proper Brexit goon last week in Mallorca.

He seemed normal at first when him and his wife asked if we minded them joining us on some comfy seats near the pool bar at our hotel as we sipped our drinks and watched the sun slowly disappear behind the mountains.

But it didn't take long for him to start foisting his opinions on us about how shit foreigners generally are  and how "disgusting" it was that the hotel was catering for Germans and Russians.

"Too much garlicky sausage and not enough Shepherd's Pie on the menu" was the consensus.

When I asked him if they'd tried the excellent a la carte Tapas restaurant he sneered at me and his wizened old hag of a wife was almost physically sick.

"That Spanish rubbish...?" he asked, "Full of olive oil and spices. Horrible."

I tried to switch off and ignore his bollocks for a further 10 minutes until he brought up the referendum result with a big grin.

He'd been moaning 2 minutes previously about how the cost of hiring a car was suddenly a lot higher than in previous years but seemed happy enough that we were now leaving the EU.

The man was a typical Little Englander and I was genuinely embarrassed to be associated with him.

So I suggested that if Europe was so awful, he'd perhaps be happier holidaying in Clacton and Called him a stupid old prick before walking off.

And then sat with some very nice Europeans for the rest of the evening, drinking Rioja, eating tapas and chatting pleasantly.

We don't deserve to be in Europe- we're not sophisticated enough and we still think we're better than everybody else despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Bet you didnt

I bet he did, under his breath.

scottjames30 wrote:I think Breadman is actually gutted nothing much has happened, and there is a huge queue of the world wanting to do business with us, and foreign food is shit, the goon does have a point.

I used to work with a guy who went to Spain for the first time, when he came back I asked him how it was and he said "shit, the fish and chips and English breakfasts were crap and McEwans expert was £5 a can" genuinely though it was hilarious.

I did call him a prick because, being in his 70's, he looked quite frail and I was confident I could handle him if he kicked off.

Breadman wrote:I did call him a prick because, being in his 70's, he looked quite frail and I was confident I could handle him if he kicked off.

Jesus you're sounding more like a leave voter every post

Breadman wrote:I did call him a prick because, being in his 70's, he looked quite frail and I was confident I could handle him if he kicked off.

Hahahaha:lol:

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Breadman wrote:

We don't deserve to be in Europe- we're not sophisticated enough and we still think we're better than everybody else despite all the evidence to the contrary.

You need to let it go. All the doom and gloom that was going to happen simply hasn't.

The pound has suffered, but that can happen at anytime and it will recover.

I noticed that petrol had dropped a penny this morning around Preston and Chorley, despite scare stories that it would immediately rise 10p a litre.

Canada, Australia and New Zealand are desperate to create new trade agreements with us - and they're a much better bet than much of Europe for stability and growth.

The government is now in a better place, May has already kicked out most of Cameron's cronies and will turn out to be a much better leader.

The long term future is bright, the short term nowhere near as bad as predicted by the so-called experts.

According to May's newly appointed Chancellor of the Exchequer we won't be leaving the EU until 2022 so why are you confusing the short-term (confidence-based) hiccup - which won't kick in itself for at least a few months anyway, with the long-term downgrading of our economy that will affect Britain forever?

Hammond has already said that he will abandon plans to start repaying our all time high national debt - something that Osborne was banking on to prevent passing on the burden he created - and will borrow even more to minimise the impact on voters in the short term.

Our economy is shrinking rapidly and whilst the impact can be managed in the short term by borrowing, we will have to pay it back which means that future generations will have a lot more of the money Britain earns will be spent on interest and repayments before there is anything for education, housing, health etc.

wanderlust wrote:
According to May's newly appointed Chancellor of the Exchequer we won't be leaving the EU until 2022 so why are you confusing the short-term (confidence-based) hiccup - which won't kick in itself for at least a few months anyway,

Oh right, so the instant "hiccup" has now been put back from days to months? The doom and gloom brigade said we'd be fighting in the streets and looting Primark by mid-July.

The truth is no one really knows, but already the loudest of the negative fannies have quietened down. I think most people now accept that with the uncertainty comes some great opportunities for the country.

People should just embrace the change instead of trying to drag the economy down just so they can say "I told you so".

Natasha Whittam wrote:

wanderlust wrote:
According to May's newly appointed Chancellor of the Exchequer we won't be leaving the EU until 2022 so why are you confusing the short-term (confidence-based) hiccup - which won't kick in itself for at least a few months anyway,

Oh right, so the instant "hiccup" has now been put back from days to months? The doom and gloom brigade said we'd be fighting in the streets and looting Primark by mid-July.

The truth is no one really knows, but already the loudest of the negative fannies have quietened down. I think most people now accept that with the uncertainty comes some great opportunities for the country.

People should just embrace the change instead of trying to drag the economy down just so they can say "I told you so".

I agree with your positive approach if only because we're here now and have to get on with it, but that doesn't mean we haven't f****d the country up for zero gain.

There's been a lot of chat about the losses not being as bad as some people predicted - or more accurately that we haven't seen the impact of our losses in terms of price rises, job losses, cutback in services etc - but there is no doubt whatsoever that will come down the road because it is an undeniable fact that we will have to pay a greater proportion of our income in massive loan repayments and therefore there will be less to spend on keeping Britain going.

My issue is that whilst we are debating the economy, where at absolute best we pass the problem on to future generations through borrowing, there is no discussion about what we are getting for the price we are paying.

And as far as I can see we have gained absolutely SFA. Nothing.
We're just poorer.

One reason for Brexit that's confused me is people believing that industry and particularly manufacturing will return to their area and blaming the EU for its loss. Can't get my head around that one to be honest.

Nothing as happened yet because we are still in the EU once we start to unravel ourselves from all the laws and then legislate new laws then the true cost will materialise.

Expect worsening workers rights additional costs on petrol etc. to say we can negotiate with new Zealand etc, why is that different we could negotiate with other countries whilst in the EU.

My sister works on the front line at Bolton Royal they can't recruit staff in the UK the natives wont or cant afford to train. they have exhausted the EU immigrants so looking to the Phillipines again the staff shortage on the wards is so acute.  So how we think that immigration being stopped will help is beyond me.

A vast majority of those who voted out did so to stop immigration (pretend it wasn't if it makes you feel better) no thought about what was actually involved in taking this major step.

I feel ashamed to be English we fought to free Europe then rather than fight from within and stand up, we chose to up the draw bridge and become little England,  this in the name of putting the great back in to Britain.  

The Tory government offered a referendum in order to shut the Tory back bencher's up, Cameron put Party politics before his duty to run the Country.

 The result was millions of people who have no interest in politics normally, voted on a base of small minded bigotry without any thought to the consequence. 

In addition the very future of the UK was put at risk with a real chance of Scotland leaving the UK at some point.
So 6 years of austerity never hitting one target, the national debt increasing for what? So that they can say that they have halved the deficit and can run the economy. To make it simple it's like halving your credit card bill by doubling your overdraft. The claim that these people are better on economy is bullshit.

This vote will give this lot the right to force further and harder austerity down your throats and the nob heads that thought that they were protesting against the government will suffer most.

Sadly the opposition are so concerned with problems of there own making, the government will not be held to account, what a bloody mess.

This in one sentence was what Brexit was all about.

If people can grasp this simple truth then maybe they can move on -

"Fundamentally a question was put to the British public - would you be willing to be a little bit poorer to get control of immigration? We staked our chips on everyone going, 'Well, I don't want to be poorer.' They staked their chips on everyone going, 'I want to control immigration,' and they won."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36865791

If people want to get angry with anybody then stop blaming the people who don't know one end of a ballot paper from the other and instead on those that held an unnecessary referendum for simply an internal party political power struggle reason.

They clearly were not in touch with what was very obviously the grassroots mood of the country, gambled that they would win because they 'knew best!' took sides (Johnson, Gove, etc) for self political gain, and in effect lied to us to win - and fucked us all over in doing so.

Don't keep banging on about those that didn't know any better - bang on instead about the ones that did!

The die is cast now - we have to live with it whether we like it or not.



Wessy - read your inbox for God sake!!!

Thank you.

Sluffy wrote:This in one sentence was what Brexit was all about.

If people can grasp this simple truth then maybe they can move on -

"Fundamentally a question was put to the British public - would you be willing to be a little bit poorer to get control of immigration? We staked our chips on everyone going, 'Well, I don't want to be poorer.' They staked their chips on everyone going, 'I want to control immigration,' and they won."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36865791

Quite right Sluffy although post-referendum surveys have shown that what the majority of lower working class people thought that what they were actually voting for was "to get rid of foreigners" (regardless of whether they came from the EU or not and regardless of the colour of their skin) I know that the Leave campaign messaging did not make that point directly, but that's how it was interpreted according to the surveys. That's why the recent increase in racially-motivated attacks caused by right wing groups feeling the referendum was an endorsement of their activities included assaults on second and third generation Poles who came here to save Britain in our darkest hour in the 1940s - which they did in the Battle of Britain. Makes you wonder who amongst us is considered "British".

Certainly not Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson who was born in America and from a Turkish family. Most people living in England who are from Pakistani descent are more British than Johnson. (Johnson is an English language name adopted by the family - not his real name - his paternal granddad was a Turk called Ali Kemal and his mum is a Russian Jew but he kept that very quiet during the referendum run up) But then Britain was conned out of Europe by a Flemish twat married to a German, a Turkish Russian American and a Scot - all selling xenophobia to the masses so we deserve it for our stupidity.

Can I move on with the new reality? I certainly have to accept that I will be a lot poorer in my old age than I would have been had we voted to stay in as there's no choice in the matter, but I don't like it. However, there's a lot of water yet to pass under this bridge as the new Government are still discovering the likely impact of what we have done and it may be the case that those who have assumed power on the back of the Leave campaigners mass exodus in order to further their political careers will eventually work out that they can't win. I doubt there will be a second referendum, but I expect there will be one delay after another to stretch out our "exit" (there won't actually be a real exit) for years and years to come. When the "exit" is finally announced, we'll be exactly where we were 3 months ago. Problem is the rest of the world will have moved on.

bwfc1874 wrote:One reason for Brexit that's confused me is people believing that industry and particularly manufacturing will return to their area and blaming the EU for its loss. Can't get my head around that one to be honest.

If you've no skilled workers to work in manufacturing, particularly engineering, then it won't re-emerge.
Corbyn remarked that he would open up the mines again, that won't happen cos he won't get in power, but more importantly the skill factor to open and work profitably has well gone.

This was the point I was making prior to Brexit. Sovereignity sounds great, but why would you trust a Tory government to deliver it?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/27/sovereignty-corporations-liam-fox-eu?CMP=fb_gu

Sadly most Brexit voters still don't understand this. By the time they do it will be too late.

Agreed, I've heard a lot of chat about 'red tape' without any real understanding of what it is and why regulations over what is allowed to be produced and sold in this country is so important.