General Election - 8th June.

She needs a haircut...

For a start she called this election to increase her powers and a mandate for a hard Brexit. Knowing full well that the opposition on all fronts are at an all time low, so she should increase her majority.

I find this ironic seeing that Brexit came about by a party who put its own problems before that of the country, in other words Cameron thought he could stay in Europe and finally shut his whinging back benchers up. He was wrong and paid the price. In addition the Tories have also put the future of the UK in peril if Scotland leave they will be guilty of breaking up the UK. All for selfish party reasons.

The reason Corbyn went with May on the GL is down to the fact that he is so far behind in the polls that if he didn't improve then once again his own party would demand his resignation. This is his one chance to be PM (not holding my breath)

Being a lifelong Labour supporter i am for the first time frightened of the outcome, i believe that despite JC tripling the party membership we will struggle to remain the official opposition let alone form a government.

Sad really because on all issues this government fails, Health, social care, Doctors striking, Railways Striking, and the Economy they have made little in roads on the deficit despite 7 years of austerity, they even had to borrow more to reduce the deficit.

Osborne failed on every target he set, Hammond one budget one u turn they really are inept.

I welcome the election because it should bring an end to the JC era, however such is the make up of our once great party i fear that he will be replaced by another numpty. and that could keep Labour out of power for a very long time.

wessy wrote:Being a lifelong Labour supporter

Utter stupidity.

This is isn't a football team. You should be voting on policies, not on what colour the politician is wearing.

wessy wrote:Osborne failed on every target he set, Hammond one budget one u turn they really are inept.

If that were really true Labour would win by a landslide, even if Dougie Freedman was their leader.

The Tories aren't inept, May has done a good job of steadying the ship, and that's why millions of people will vote for her in June.

Of course, it could be that you, Breadman and Wanderlust are simply more intelligent than the rest of us. But I doubt it.

Natasha Whittam wrote:





Of course, it could be that you, Breadman and Wanderlust are simply more intelligent than the rest of us. 

Finally......

Well done.

Ha ha, I knew you'd reply within minutes.

That's cos you're so clever.

But not as clever as what I am.

Bread2.0 wrote:That's cos you're so clever.

But not as clever as what I am.

You may very well be clever. But I'm one hot dude.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

wessy wrote:Being a lifelong Labour supporter

Utter stupidity.

This is isn't a football team. You should be voting on policies, not on what colour the politician is wearing.

So you voted Labour when?  i guess you vote Tory every time probably just the same as your parents did hypocrite springs to mind.

it's not stupid its called having a strong social conscience.
I believe the floating voter to be someone easily led how the fuck can someone get be say 50+ and not hold a strong political belief so much so that they are still unsure on the day of the election. In other words they change with the wind.

I have beliefs and i stand by them, a Tory in my humble opinion is someone who considers His/Her own well being over others at any price. Sounds about right for you.

George Osborne’s claims to be prudent with the nation’s finances have been brutally undermined by the fact he has added more to Britain’s £1.2 trillion debt pile in his three years as Chancellor than Labour did in thirteen


Thought i would add fuel, this to show that its all about perception. Tories perceived to be strong on the economy whilst in truth they have a shocking track record.

Now that brexit leave supporters are officially in the minority will May change her stance on the election..?

Surely with the majority of brits wanting to remain she is taking a huge risk.

She may be taking a risk but it is a very pragmatic one. There are three very good reasons for calling an election now (all of which would have led any Labour leader who wasn't an idiot to oppose her):

1. Labour is in disarray under a an incompetent leader
2. An increased Tory majority will make it easier to negotiate without the loonier Brexiteers causing problems
3. Most importantly if she held the election in 2020 not only would all the problems caused by the Tories under funding the NHS, education and social care be obvious to everyone but we would also be living with the painful fallout of Brexit.

wanderlust wrote:Now that brexit leave supporters are officially in the minority will May change her stance on the election..?

Surely with the majority of brits wanting to remain she is taking a huge risk.

Have I missed something?

Where does it say that Brexit is officially the minority consensus in the country?

The only national vote on this was the referendum - and that was for Brexit.

Parliament ratified this by voting to officially invoke Clause 50 - that included Labour as well as Conservative voting that way en masse.

Neither the electorate or Parliament have voted on this issue since so the official line is still Brexit.

Even the forthcoming election is not a one issue vote about whether to continue with Brexit or not.

If anything the result of the election will more than likely strengthen the Conservatives mandate to do so, by an increase in their majority.

A Yougov poll is not official policy.

The polls are at best an indicator of current views.

They are not always correct, if they were we would already be remaining in the EU and Trump would not be the President of the USA.

I think it is time to accept the inevitable no matter how much you may not want to.

Do it.

Do it now....

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/27/be-bold-labour-promise-abandon-brexit

As sluffy eloquently points out "the polls are at best an indicator of current views" - just as the referendum reflected the views of those who voted on one day last year.
However the point is that if the majority of brits currently think we should remain is may taking a risk in trying to make the election about brexit?
It would suggest that the Torres majority could be reduced rather than increased as expected - but I suppose it's a better plan than drawing attention to the tories disastrous record.

Meanwhile Europe prepares to Roger us senseless in the negotiations http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39742949

wessy wrote:

I believe the floating voter to be someone easily led how the fuck can someone get be say 50+ and not hold a strong political belief so much so that they are still unsure on the day of the election. In other words they change with the wind.

A rather simplistic view, I would consider myself a floating voter or one who votes on policies rather than party.

If you believe politician and parties stick to manifesto commitments and in effect their political beliefs then you are a fool, and if parties and politicians don't have long term political beliefs then why should voters hold loyalty to a party without consideration of policies and a parties record in delivering those.

Bunch of c**** every last one of them. My biggest decision will be whether to bother voting or not.

finlaymcdanger wrote:Bunch of c**** every last one of them. My biggest decision will be whether to bother voting or not.

Please go vote Fin. In my experience, like all walks of life, in public life, there are good folk who do their best, and less good ones in it for themselves. That's true across the political spectrum. The ballot box is the best place to express your preferences, in an imperfect democracy.  Turnout figures send a powerful message, and if you really have no one you can support standing near you, expressing your idea that 'none of the above' should be your representative is powerful.

Chairmanda wrote:

finlaymcdanger wrote:Bunch of c**** every last one of them. My biggest decision will be whether to bother voting or not.

Please go vote Fin. In my experience, like all walks of life, in public life, there are good folk who do their best, and less good ones in it for themselves. That's true across the political spectrum. The ballot box is the best place to express your preferences, in an imperfect democracy.  Turnout figures send a powerful message, and if you really have no one you can support standing near you, expressing your idea that 'none of the above' should be your representative is powerful.

I know and am sure I will. I just hate to give legitimacy to such a dumb system. Can we have a revolution instead Manda?

Chairmanda wrote:

finlaymcdanger wrote:Bunch of c**** every last one of them. My biggest decision will be whether to bother voting or not.

Please go vote Fin. In my experience, like all walks of life, in public life, there are good folk who do their best, and less good ones in it for themselves. That's true across the political spectrum. The ballot box is the best place to express your preferences, in an imperfect democracy.  Turnout figures send a powerful message, and if you really have no one you can support standing near you, expressing your idea that 'none of the above' should be your representative is powerful.

I agree and to quote Churchill in 1947:

No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.