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221Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Thu Oct 19 2017, 12:24

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Bread2.0 wrote:But...but....they're sending all the Poles home, aren't they?

That nice Mr Farage implied so......

And my brother in law voted accordingly on the strength of it.

Mr Farage can't have lied, surely.....?
May went on to say:

When we started this process, some accused us of treating EU nationals as bargaining chips. Nothing could have been further from the truth. EU citizens who have made their lives in the UK have made a huge contribution to our country. And we want them and their families to stay. I couldn’t be clearer: EU citizens living lawfully in the UK today will be able to stay.

222Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Thu Oct 19 2017, 13:03

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

This country would collapse if all the Polish workers go home

223Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Thu Oct 19 2017, 14:17

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

Who would Polish my car at the car wash ?  Very Happy

224Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Thu Oct 19 2017, 16:15

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

Some student, instead of lying in bed all day.

225Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Thu Oct 19 2017, 16:22

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

In that case, keep the Polish polishers, They're much better  Very Happy

226Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Thu Oct 19 2017, 16:28

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

How does it affect French polishers?

227Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Thu Oct 19 2017, 16:38

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

Good question  Very Happy

228Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Fri Oct 20 2017, 20:55

Bread2.0

Bread2.0
Andy Walker
Andy Walker

This received nary a mention in the British press (as per strict instructions from the people who own most of our papers no doubt):

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/world/europe/russia-brexit-arron-banks.html

229Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Fri Oct 20 2017, 23:49

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

All part of the double standards brexit fans love.

They are on record as saying a close vote to remain would not have been the end of it Tory MP James Gray considered anything less than a 60/40 split not good enough. Yet now we have a 52/48 split for brexit it is "undemocratic" to suggest this is not enough and cannot be reconsidered.

230Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Mon Oct 23 2017, 12:48

Bread2.0

Bread2.0
Andy Walker
Andy Walker

231Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Mon Oct 23 2017, 13:05

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Hmm.
I feel like I'm sitting at the bar,on the Titanic.
"Would you like ice with that sir?"

232Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Mon Oct 23 2017, 14:15

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

May begs for help pretty much sums up her negotiating position:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41720244

233Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Mon Oct 23 2017, 15:49

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Not surprising though. Since Thatcher, most large scale manufacturing in Britain is either owned by foreign companies or dependent on imports for materials to make stuff with - or both - so you can't blame them for sitting back to see what happens.

234Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Mon Oct 23 2017, 16:01

Bread2.0

Bread2.0
Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Nope, you can't.

And that's precisely why this was eminently predictable.

But hey, you know......Project Fear and all that.

235Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Mon Oct 23 2017, 17:20

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

Read a new one today, "Remainiacs". 

I wondered if they had been reading this forum  Very Happy

236Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Mon Oct 23 2017, 17:55

Bread2.0

Bread2.0
Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Even one of the so-called "masterminds" of this mess is now openly admitting it's a fucking disaster:

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/peering-over-the-cliff-edge-why-dominic-cummings-fears-brexit-will-fail

237Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Mon Oct 23 2017, 18:46

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

Bread2.0 wrote:Even one of the so-called "masterminds" of this mess is now openly admitting it's a fucking disaster:

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/peering-over-the-cliff-edge-why-dominic-cummings-fears-brexit-will-fail

Shocked

238Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Tue Oct 24 2017, 10:03

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

I think this whole Brexit show is going in the direction most people thought it would, although I have to say, somewhat slower than expected. Bit by bit Merkel and Macron are having to give way to the remaining members, who are more concerned with outcomes rather than politics.

239Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Tue Oct 24 2017, 11:16

Bread2.0

Bread2.0
Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Why is any of that surprising though?

The whole myth that it would be a fair fight is just nonsense: It's 27 Vs 1 in their favour.

And let's not forget, the other 27 didn't instigate this, the 1 did.

So why should they do us any favours?

At the time of the referendum, the leave campaign was strutting round telling anyone who would listen that it'd be a simple process, wherein we'd simply tell Johnny Foreigner that we were taking our ball home and that'd be it - Trigger Article 50 and walk away.

But it was patently obvious that it would never be that simple.

And now that it's all turning to rat shit very quickly, the narrative's changed to it all being about the EU "running scared" and trying to scupper the talks.

Bollocks!

That's not how it works. It's not in the EU's interest to facilitate a smooth exit for the UK (even if it could, which it can't), so why should we expect them to hamstring themselves for the UK's benefit?

And again, all this was obvious to anyone with even the remotest interest in how EU politics works before the referendum but it was glibly dismissed as being part of Project Fear.

240Brexit negotiations - Page 12 Empty Re: Brexit negotiations Tue Oct 24 2017, 11:56

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

Breaders, agree with all your points, but even though they didn't instigate it, its too big an issue to ignore, for them as well as us. In order to teach us a lesson, which they stated from the beginning, they said it would be difficult. However, they are now in the situation where they have played politics for maybe a little too long, and with the UK waving the 'No Deal' ticket at them, (whether it was serious or not), other countries are now aware of how a bad outcome won't just seriously affect us, but them too. 
The time has now arrived where both sides have to have a serious look at what is feasible. Of course, the government have cocked things up by allowing the divisions in the party to seriously hamper any progress, but having said that, the Brexit camp needs people like Boris, just to ensure we don't end up with a watered-down Cameron-style result, which would put is in the situation where we pay, but no longer have any weight within the EU. I don't know about anyone else, but I would be deeply frustrated, and embarrassed, at such a climb down. The situation may appear in disarray now, but it will be sorted, and one thing we can't afford, is to be is a second rate power in the organisation.

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