Brexit negotiations

Tory voters must be in panic mode, selfish gits might have to pay more in taxes. 

T.R.O.Y wrote:Tory voters must be in panic mode, selfish gits might have to pay more in taxes. 

Not the rich ones. They won't be suffering.

True, but the Tories managed to dupe the nation that they are somehow 'responsible' with the economy. 

It's painfully obvious how incompetent they are, even (surely) to Tory voters themselves.

The Conservatives have been duping voters for a long time aided by their virtual monopoly on print media. If they didn't dupe voters how would they ever get elected? No matter how much they pretend to care they only look after the rich and powerful. Why anybody in a low paid job would vote for them baffles me.

Unbelievable! Ministers have apparently held talks to discuss the possibility of the UK joining the Trans Pacific Partnership post Brexit. Given that the TPP is a fledgling EU - only on the other side of the world -  the stench of desperation to secure any kind of trade deal has finally settled over Westminster. Can't wait to hear what Brexiteers make of this latest red herring.

The only Brexit battle Theresa has won has been with regard to the way the press have somehow swallowed and developed the spin suggesting that she had fought stubbornly and successfully for the UK's benefit....when the truth is that all she has done is capitulate to all the EU's demands in order for trade talks to begin.

Most of the press have been fanatically anti EU and pro brexit for years so she didn't even win that battle.

True, but there was evidence that many more people  (and newspaper columnists) were grudgingly impressed at her stubborn persistence, allowing trade talks to begin whilst Davis was getting nowhere. Somehow they failed to grasp (or chose to) that it was a doddle to get to this stage.....all that was needed was to give in to all the Eu's demands! Our bargaining has been as abysmal as Cameron's efforts to make headway with the EU.

okocha wrote:True, but there was evidence that many more people  (and newspaper columnists) were grudgingly impressed at her stubborn persistence, allowing trade talks to begin whilst Davis was getting nowhere. Somehow they failed to grasp (or chose to) that it was a doddle to get to this stage.....all that was needed was to give in to all the Eu's demands! Our bargaining has been as abysmal as Cameron's efforts to make headway with the EU.

The complete fudge over the Irish border would be funny if it wasn't so depressing and so representative of the shambles that constitutes our negotiating position. And yet the brexit loons keep thinking everything is going to be OK despite all the evidence to the contrary.

wanderlust wrote:

wanderlust wrote:Interesting statement from the EU regarding the Brexit transitional period. They say it won't go beyond 2 years i.e. the end of 2020. That implies a degree of optimism over the pace of striking a trade deal.
It took 10 years to work out the trade deal between the EU and Canada and that didn't include the most controversial element - and in our case Britain's biggest earner - the financial sector.

This has just been contextualised by the IMF downgrading Britain's growth forecast to 1.6% in the light of investor uncertainty over Brexit.

(IMF Chief)  said that relative to growth in the rest of the world, "the UK is losing out as a result of higher inflation, pressure on wages and incomes and delayed investment".


With inflation rising above 3% and growth at roughly half of that, I guess they have a point.

The IMF have been consistent throughout. Problem is that they have been consistently wrong. According to them we should be in a deep recession now: 


https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.uk%2Famp%2Fs%2Forder-order.com%2F2017%2F11%2F09%2Fslowest-gdp-g7%2Famp%2F&h=ATM9YSVJ5vFNd5KFmPc27aipmVNi2cAjGSAzQSY7oBeklH50CgUHH-QeunwPAfOaJscYq-5OebD_0kcvPgE7bXS_lm2yJ55iTiVWnLE4X70TqOHMcqvEFwk_g7Qim3OmcVMqBjU8nw

Reebok Trotter wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

wanderlust wrote:Interesting statement from the EU regarding the Brexit transitional period. They say it won't go beyond 2 years i.e. the end of 2020. That implies a degree of optimism over the pace of striking a trade deal.
It took 10 years to work out the trade deal between the EU and Canada and that didn't include the most controversial element - and in our case Britain's biggest earner - the financial sector.

This has just been contextualised by the IMF downgrading Britain's growth forecast to 1.6% in the light of investor uncertainty over Brexit.

(IMF Chief)  said that relative to growth in the rest of the world, "the UK is losing out as a result of higher inflation, pressure on wages and incomes and delayed investment".


With inflation rising above 3% and growth at roughly half of that, I guess they have a point.

The IMF have been consistent throughout. Problem is that they have been consistently wrong. According to them we should be in a deep recession now: 


https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.uk%2Famp%2Fs%2Forder-order.com%2F2017%2F11%2F09%2Fslowest-gdp-g7%2Famp%2F&h=ATM9YSVJ5vFNd5KFmPc27aipmVNi2cAjGSAzQSY7oBeklH50CgUHH-QeunwPAfOaJscYq-5OebD_0kcvPgE7bXS_lm2yJ55iTiVWnLE4X70TqOHMcqvEFwk_g7Qim3OmcVMqBjU8nw

Is that a link to a UKIP site or is it just a completely different bunch of nutters?

No need to reply RT I have looked at the site. It is Euro Guido run by an individual called Paul Staines. Here is what another site says about Paul Staines:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiJ59amgr_YAhWCHsAKHdvABuYQFghrMAk&url=http%3A%2F%2Fzelo-street.blogspot.com%2F2017%2F10%2Fguido-fawkes-we-have-to-talk.html&usg=AOvVaw1O0CI_yf_0Roesie3CjD-7

Reebok Trotter wrote:https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Finstitute.global%2Fnews%2Fbrexit-what-we-now-know&h=ATNDWeoBFsFMaZwhKcBC6CynI0lAjEfDE0DMDyivnUkV5Z5ER8E_tEm-9A6KnN-vuJf1LagoWFunqlTxeLwUAMz70rVvoyIANEvfAbbMRa2hYd_2GKbpAqei7QJ9cZFCNU0lom14xcGB4OhZrlZ2MbNGmcJnIT0z8bVoyFh_ey6K8EELFr9Mjl9705_XgLkuWZvdY4CAzrV_Wo2yMYWizChfOqBu-8A3hk9HP9wzFS7r-ZogokvxAYYV_ytPpx4CmGYa8J21rKxtaEJaw1M256C19Gw63dMvmfeoeGY

Thanks RT. I only hope people take the trouble to look at this one - even if it does come from the Tony Blair Institute For Global Change.

Laughable. Everyone had the chance to vote, no point moaning about it now.

Natasha Whittam wrote:Laughable. Everyone had the chance to vote, no point moaning about it now.

Not entirely true. Cameron significantly reduced the size of the electoral roll in 2015 by changing the registration rules. The Electoral Commission advised him not to do this as it took 1.9 million voters off the list many of them younger voters who were more likely to vote Labour and Remain.

In addition only those aged 18 or older were able to vote whereas in Scotland the independence referendum gave votes to 16 and 17 year olds who also would have voted predominantly for Remain.

Unbelievable! If caught out lying why not tell an even bigger lie?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42698981

wanderlust wrote:...whilst growth is lower than inflation it can only lead to a further reduction in the standard of living for the majority of people.

ONS have today released figures that show unemployment is down to 1.44 million and yet inflation remains above 3% and wage growth is at 2.4% - all of which provides more evidence that we are starting to become a low-pay economy with reduced standards of living for most as predicted.