Brexit negotiations

gloswhite wrote:Sorry TROY, thats naive. Its been a hell of a trip so far, but we have to accept not everyone will get what they want, leavers, remainers, and the EU itself. Its was a momentous decision, and only time will tell if the end product was worth it. Of course, we will then argue about the outcome, who won, who lost, etc. Its done, its still happening, whats next. None of us know. (but I still think it was the right decision )

Remind me glos why you still think it was the right decision.

gloswhite wrote:Sorry TROY, thats naive. Its been a hell of a trip so far, but we have to accept not everyone will get what they want, leavers, remainers, and the EU itself. Its was a momentous decision, and only time will tell if the end product was worth it. Of course, we will then argue about the outcome, who won, who lost, etc. Its done, its still happening, whats next. None of us know. (but I still think it was the right decision )

It’s naive to think promises were made? I’d argue it’s  entirely factual. Did you look at the article?

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:How can promises be made, when nothing was certain ?

Yet the leave campaign consisted of nothing but promises all of which have turned out to be simple lies. Some the day after the referendum (£350m for the NHS) some more recently (controlling our own fisheries). Has any promise made by the leavers actually been delivered?

Am I right in saying that another red bus went on the road recently, in favour either remaining, or some similar reason. Haven't heard anything about it since the first day. (Owen Smith was sacked because even the Labour Party are beginning to realise that such a wish is nothing but pie in the sky.

xmiles wrote:Life is short but some of us have children and grandchildren and would prefer that the country wasn't fucked up.

Brexit doesn't have to happen.

XM, taking such a pessimistic view all the time is more likely to fuck up our future than a positive one, whatever the circumstances.

Smith was sacked for breaking the party line on Brexit, a tactical and underhand move on his part IMO.

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:Sorry TROY, thats naive. Its been a hell of a trip so far, but we have to accept not everyone will get what they want, leavers, remainers, and the EU itself. Its was a momentous decision, and only time will tell if the end product was worth it. Of course, we will then argue about the outcome, who won, who lost, etc. Its done, its still happening, whats next. None of us know. (but I still think it was the right decision )

Remind me glos why you still think it was the right decision.

It was the right decision because we have stirred up a situation that will ensure that we as a nation, are able to make our own decisions, with respect to all things British, rather than be dragged along with many nations into a mindless comglomeration of petty bureacrats. We will have to learn to run out own country again.

T.R.O.Y wrote:Smith was sacked for breaking the party line on Brexit, a tactical and underhand move on his part IMO.

True. I always thought he was unrealistic.

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:How can promises be made, when nothing was certain ?

Yet the leave campaign consisted of nothing but promises all of which have turned out to be simple lies. Some the day after the referendum (£350m for the NHS) some more recently (controlling our own fisheries). Has any promise made by the leavers actually been delivered?

Am I right in saying that another red bus went on the road recently, in favour either remaining, or some similar reason. Haven't heard anything about it since the first day. (Owen Smith was sacked because even the Labour Party are beginning to realise that such a wish is nothing but pie in the sky.

You have completely lost me now glos as I have no idea what you are referring to. You also haven't given any examples of brexiters delivering on their promises.

I'm off to bed. To dream about the unfettered and positive future of this great country, (mind you winning the lottery would be nice as well ) 

Nite all

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:How can promises be made, when nothing was certain ?

Yet the leave campaign consisted of nothing but promises all of which have turned out to be simple lies. Some the day after the referendum (£350m for the NHS) some more recently (controlling our own fisheries). Has any promise made by the leavers actually been delivered?

Am I right in saying that another red bus went on the road recently, in favour either remaining, or some similar reason. Haven't heard anything about it since the first day. (Owen Smith was sacked because even the Labour Party are beginning to realise that such a wish is nothing but pie in the sky.

You have completely lost me now glos as I have no idea what you are referring to. You also haven't given any examples of brexiters delivering on their promises.

Nobody can give examples, were still negotiating. Its all talk so far.

I’ve given you 11 examples of broken promises, but they seem to have been ignored. I worry it’s a case become a case of simply ignoring the bad news now.

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:Sorry TROY, thats naive. Its been a hell of a trip so far, but we have to accept not everyone will get what they want, leavers, remainers, and the EU itself. Its was a momentous decision, and only time will tell if the end product was worth it. Of course, we will then argue about the outcome, who won, who lost, etc. Its done, its still happening, whats next. None of us know. (but I still think it was the right decision )

Remind me glos why you still think it was the right decision.

It was the right decision because we have stirred up a situation that will ensure that we as a nation, are able to make our own decisions, with respect to all things British, rather than be dragged along with many nations into a mindless comglomeration of petty bureacrats. We will have to learn to run out own country again.

Right I do remember you saying this before. You won't be surprised to learn that I think this is unrealistic and getting more unrealistic all the time. Briefly the three main reasons I disagree with you are:
1. we had plenty of control within the EU, including significant opt outs, but often failed to use it sensibly - for example the shambles over our fisheries where we allow foreign companies to buy up the rights to fish in British territorial waters
2. we have to interact with other countries all the time and doing so within an organisation like the EU puts us in a much stronger negotiating position than we will have as an isolated nation. Just wait to you see how easy it is negotiating a trade deal with the USA - chlorine flavoured chicken and hormone stuffed beef anyone?
3. you need to bear in mind how powerful multinational corporations are these days. At least the EU is trying to tackle them whereas the UK is doing nothing.
Finally I think you like many brexiters are just overindulging in nostalgia. You refer to "have[ing] to learn to run out own country again" but we are no longer a superpower.

T.R.O.Y wrote:Got to take an interest Nat, this will affect us for generations to come.

Maybe not!


http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2016/11/humans-dont-have-10-years-left-thanks-to-climate-change---scientist.html

boltonbonce wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:Got to take an interest Nat, this will affect us for generations to come.

Maybe not!


http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2016/11/humans-dont-have-10-years-left-thanks-to-climate-change---scientist.html

Oh no that means none of us will live long enough to see the benefits of brexit!

xmiles wrote:

boltonbonce wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:Got to take an interest Nat, this will affect us for generations to come.

Maybe not!


http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2016/11/humans-dont-have-10-years-left-thanks-to-climate-change---scientist.html

Oh no that means none of us will live long enough to see the benefits of brexit!

Sod Brexit. What about my slippers!

Seriously,could he be right?

boltonbonce wrote:

xmiles wrote:

boltonbonce wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:Got to take an interest Nat, this will affect us for generations to come.

Maybe not!


http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2016/11/humans-dont-have-10-years-left-thanks-to-climate-change---scientist.html

Oh no that means none of us will live long enough to see the benefits of brexit!

Sod Brexit. What about my slippers!

Seriously,could he be right?

I'm not normally an optimist but I'm pretty certain that this is complete bollocks and probably fake news.

(Whisper this XM) I agree with you 

Back to bed

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:Sorry TROY, thats naive. Its been a hell of a trip so far, but we have to accept not everyone will get what they want, leavers, remainers, and the EU itself. Its was a momentous decision, and only time will tell if the end product was worth it. Of course, we will then argue about the outcome, who won, who lost, etc. Its done, its still happening, whats next. None of us know. (but I still think it was the right decision )

Remind me glos why you still think it was the right decision.

It was the right decision because we have stirred up a situation that will ensure that we as a nation, are able to make our own decisions, with respect to all things British, rather than be dragged along with many nations into a mindless comglomeration of petty bureacrats. We will have to learn to run out own country again.

Right I do remember you saying this before. You won't be surprised to learn that I think this is unrealistic and getting more unrealistic all the time. Briefly the three main reasons I disagree with you are:
1. we had plenty of control within the EU, including significant opt outs, but often failed to use it sensibly - for example the shambles over our fisheries where we allow foreign companies to buy up the rights to fish in British territorial waters
2. we have to interact with other countries all the time and doing so within an organisation like the EU puts us in a much stronger negotiating position than we will have as an isolated nation. Just wait to you see how easy it is negotiating a trade deal with the USA - chlorine flavoured chicken and hormone stuffed beef anyone?
3. you need to bear in mind how powerful multinational corporations are these days. At least the EU is trying to tackle them whereas the UK is doing nothing.
Finally I think you like many brexiters are just overindulging in nostalgia. You refer to "have[ing] to learn to run out own country again" but we are no longer a superpower.

Glad to answer this ... tomorrow)

Lightweights. I'm off to watch Bilko.