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Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer?

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1Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Empty Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:44 am

Sluffy

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OF the many words you hear cascading on to the pitch on a Saturday afternoon at the Macron Stadium, ‘Trotters’ is not high up the list.
To some, the club’s official nickname died out with wooden rattles, half-time cigarettes and back-passes. For others, it is an important link to the past which should be preserved as a sign of the club’s uniqueness. After all, whatever the song says we are not the “one and only Wanderers.”
But when and why did Bolton cease to be ‘Trotters’ and become the ‘Whites’ or ‘Wanderers’?

Many believe it was the early seventies, when Jimmy Armfield’s side earned the ‘Super Whites’ moniker as they gained promotion to Division Two.
Twenty years later, this very newspaper captured the Zeitgeist of success under Bruce Rioch by coining the ‘White Hot’ era – and since then, it has used the term ‘Trotters’ sparingly.
Though people in the town seldom refer to the club by their official nickname, it does stay in the common vernacular thanks to other forms of media.
The club’s award-winning programme has been called ‘Trotters’ for the last couple of seasons, various blogs and websites use it in their name and the national media, particularly the tabloids, are never shy of exploiting the word for a good pun.
So if everyone else is using it, so why aren’t we? Well, possibly because the origin of the nickname is not even universally agreed within the town's walls.

Falling into roughly two schools of thought, the first is rather literal.
Pig or sheep’s trotters are a famously Lancastrian delicacy and it has even been claimed they were fed to the team as part of their pre-match meal by a butcher based near Burnden Park, who used to pile them up in his shop window prior to match-days.
They also feature in the belief that Wanderers are called the Trotters because the club's base at Pike's Lane used to be situated next to a pig farm.
The alternative theory – of which a lot more people in Bolton subscribe, not least the club's historian, Simon Marland – is that the word ‘trotter’ is a colloquial phrase, which means ‘practical joker’.

Long before Peter Kay, Paddy McGuinness or Dave Spikey, Boltonians were apparently known for their fondness for public pranks.
‘Trotting’ as it was known, was encapsulated in a painting which used to hang on the wall of The Swan pub, in which a Bolton man challenged a visitor to the town for a wager that he could keep his leg in a bucket of hot water for longer, and did so easily before it was discovered that he had a wooden leg.

The term was applied to people from the whole town, and so it seems entirely likely it caught on with the football team.
Burnden Roadrunners even pay homage with an annual five-mile ‘Bolton Trotters’ race.
The term became popular around the turn of the last century but even in the 30s was showing signs of decline. A collection of cigarette cards printed by Ogden’s in 1933 notes: “The nickname still survives but is not used as commonly as it was some years ago.”
It wasn’t, in fact, even the club’s first nickname. Reports in the mid-1880s sometimes referred to the embryonic Bolton Wanderers as ‘The Spots’ because of the flamboyant red polka dots which adorned their early kits.
The kit design we know today, inherited from Turton FC no less, brought the first all-white shirt and led to the club informally being labelled ‘The Whites’ thereafter.

Even the word ‘Wanderers’ has a back story. Nearly 140 years ago, a split developed between club president, the Rev Joseph Farell Wright, and the members of Christchurch FC. After a meeting at the boys’ school on August 28, 1887, a group of dissenting voices wandered down the road to the Gladstone Hotel to form their own club – Bolton Wanderers.
But Wanderers are not the only team to have shed a nickname. Aston Villa are seldom called the Villans (or indeed, The Lions), Manchester City Citizens, Tottenham Lillywhites or West Brom The Throstles. Locals in Huddersfield also refer to their team almost exclusively as ‘Town’ and never ‘Terriers’ while those who follow Bristol Rovers know their team as ‘The Gas’ and not the Pirates.
Whether it is a footballing form of natural selection, a fashion which will come and go, or just a reflection on how commercialisation has affected the game is unclear.
The Trotters may someday be resurrected, though hopefully ‘The Spots’ will remain consigned to the history books.

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2Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Empty Re: Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:57 am

Norpig

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i think it's an age thing, i've always called them the Whites for as long as i've been watching them (old Div 4 days). Never knew trotting was another name for practical jokes though!

3Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Empty Re: Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:06 am

wanderlust

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Always a wanderer and assumed that the name was because the team wandered from Turton to Christ church pike lane to burnden i.e. Moving grounds. Also assumed that trotter was a derivation of the wandering.
Never liked the trotters nickname.

4Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Empty Re: Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:16 am

BoltonTillIDie

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Wanderer - Trotters is a shite nick name. Pig feet, great!
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5Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Empty Re: Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:25 am

finlaymcdanger

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I think its time they dropped the Trotters nickname. None of the extremely tenuous justifications for the name coming about make much sense to me:

A butcher used to hang trotters in his window
The squad used to train near a pig farm
The word trotter used to mean 'practical joker'

What a load of rubbish. I'm a Wanderer.

We used to play in red polkadots by all accounts but someone had enough sense to change it. Time for a rebrand IMO (I'm not talking about changing colours!).

6Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Empty Re: Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:44 am

finlaymcdanger

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AND, while I'm at it, can anyone tell me why an elephant is used in the Bolton crest and why badly painted statues of them are all over town? Because I have never heard a good reason for it.

A circus once passed through town?

7Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Empty Re: Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:47 am

BoltonTillIDie

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finlaymcdanger wrote:AND, while I'm at it, can anyone tell me why an elephant is used in the Bolton crest and why badly painted statues of them are all over town? Because I have never heard a good reason for it.

A circus once passed through town?

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finlaymcdanger

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BoltonTillIDie wrote:
finlaymcdanger wrote:AND, while I'm at it, can anyone tell me why an elephant is used in the Bolton crest and why badly painted statues of them are all over town? Because I have never heard a good reason for it.

A circus once passed through town?

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Thanks, BTID. This still doesn't explain it for me though. I'm no nearer.

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BoltonTillIDie

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The elephant is derived from the arms of Coventry, and recalls that Bolton historically belonged to the diocese of Mercia, of which Coventry was the seat. The saddle of the elephant shows a mitre for the bishops. The elephant stands on moorland to suggest the towns old name "Bolton-super-Moras" or "Bolton on the Moors".

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10Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Empty Re: Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:59 pm

Natasha Whittam

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The elephant represents the majority of our fans.

The last time I sat in the East Stand the person to my right took up more of my seat than I did. He seemed offended when I asked him for half the ticket price.

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BoltonTillIDie

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affraid

12Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Empty Re: Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:14 pm

Norpig

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Natasha Whittam wrote:The elephant represents the majority of our fans.

The last time I sat in the East Stand the person to my right took up more of my seat than I did. He seemed offended when I asked him for half the ticket price.
You really hurt my feelings that day, it's glandular you know

13Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Empty Re: Are you a Trotter or a Wanderer? Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:23 pm

Natasha Whittam

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Norpig wrote:You really hurt my feelings that day, it's glandular you know

If my knockers were blocking your view you'd be the first to complain.

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finlaymcdanger

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BoltonTillIDie wrote:The elephant is derived from the arms of Coventry, and recalls that Bolton historically belonged to the diocese of Mercia, of which Coventry was the seat. The saddle of the elephant shows a mitre for the bishops. The elephant stands on moorland to suggest the towns old name "Bolton-super-Moras" or "Bolton on the Moors".

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Right, but the following paragraph says:

However, the symbol of the elephant has been in use in Bolton for much longer, and one of the first recorded uses was in the official stamp of the Clerk to the Board of Trustees in 1799.


Just interested to know why.

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bryan458

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A Trotter's someone who has Delhi Belly !!! yuk !!!

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BoltonTillIDie

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finlaymcdanger

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Thanks. 3 new to me theories in there:

The fact that the emblem was taken from 18th or 19th century cloth bolt stamps used by a local textile manufacturer to signify trade with Africa and the Indies.

The emblem was taken from cloth bolt stamps of the same period which were used to designate the strength and quality of the cloth.

A pun on the word 'Moors'. The former name of the town was Bolton-le-Moors. Moors was also the word to describe people from North Africa, and elephants. The elephants would represent the Moors and the castle would be the town itself.

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wanderlust

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Having travelled extensively in North Africa whence came the Moors, I can assure you there are no wild elephants north of the Sahara.

I believe the northernmost natural elephant habitat is Mali - the subsaharan desert elephant subspecies.

The Moors were predominantly Berber and Arab.

That said it could have Spanish roots as the Elephant and Castle is thought to have been a corruption of "La Infanta de Castilla" i.e. referring to several Castillian princesses including Catherine of Aragon who married Henry the 8th.

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finlaymcdanger

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So still no nearer then.

Sluffy, why is the Bolton Nuts logo an elephant?

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wanderlust

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finlaymcdanger wrote:So still no nearer then.
I'm going with "La Infanta de Castilla".

Either that or the marketing department were told to come up with some big ideas.

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