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21If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Mon Nov 06 2017, 16:34

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

rammywhite wrote:
Bollotom2014 wrote:Would the likes of Mrs Brown's Boys cast not pay tax via PAYE on their salaries, but not on any savings/investments that accrue interest which is supposed to be taxable as it is sent offshore. I was always under the impression that salaries are taxed and NHI'd at source.
They themselves are not directly employed- the BBC contracts will be with a personal service company ( a limited company where they are the majority shareholder) which will almost always be domiciled and registered overseas- in this last case Mauritius. So the salary goes abroad directly  from the BBC and then gets repatriated as a non refundable loan
Thanks Rammy for making the point for me because in these cases they are technically working for a foreign company (so why should someone earning money in Mauritius pay tax to our Government?) To answer Bollotom, they would be subject to the tax regime of the country where they are paid.
Do you happen to know what vehicles the BBC etc use to get the money offshore in the first place?

22If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Mon Nov 06 2017, 16:42

Bread2.0

Bread2.0
Andy Walker
Andy Walker

The BBC will be invoiced by the personal services companies Rammy mentions and then just do a bax transfer into their account.

They then transfer the money into the individual accounts of those concerned. (In Mauritius.)

As I've already said somewhere else on here, most UK banks are quite lax when it comes to transferring money abroad and from personal experience, Lloyds allow you to shift £25K a day with no questions asked.

23If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Mon Nov 06 2017, 16:52

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

wanderlust wrote:
rammywhite wrote:
Bollotom2014 wrote:Would the likes of Mrs Brown's Boys cast not pay tax via PAYE on their salaries, but not on any savings/investments that accrue interest which is supposed to be taxable as it is sent offshore. I was always under the impression that salaries are taxed and NHI'd at source.
They themselves are not directly employed- the BBC contracts will be with a personal service company ( a limited company where they are the majority shareholder) which will almost always be domiciled and registered overseas- in this last case Mauritius. So the salary goes abroad directly  from the BBC and then gets repatriated as a non refundable loan
Thanks Rammy for making the point for me because in these cases they are technically working for a foreign company (so why should someone earning money in Mauritius pay tax to our Government?) To answer Bollotom, they would be subject to the tax regime of the country where they are paid.
Do you happen to know what vehicles the BBC etc use to get the money offshore in the first place?

I don't  know exactly as its not likely the sort of thing that they make public, but I imagine that the BBC have a 100% owned subsidiary in Mauritius and make an inter company loan to them for the amount concerned. The Mauritius based BBC company then will be billed by another Mauritius based company (owned by the actors either directly or indirectly- the personal services company contracted by the BBC for their services)) who will 'lend' the money to the actors. As the Mauritius based BBC company have been billed as a business expense for salaries then on consolidation with the BBC UK Holding company , the 'salaries' paid will be classed as a legitimate business expense. Double taxation treaty rules then stipulate that it can be offset against BBC profits in the UK at the BBC's marginal corporate tax rate (currently 19%) and thus reducing the BBC  tax bill.
So- lets say the annual bill for salaries is £1million- the actors will receive that £1million (less any fees paid to Mauritius trustees, lawyers etc) as a 'loan' and the BBC will get tax relief of about £200,000 on it thus reducing their tax bill.
Stinks ,don't it!! But it legitimate
But it's so easy to get legislation through to stop it

24If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Mon Nov 06 2017, 17:11

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

Bread2.0 wrote:The BBC will be invoiced by the personal services companies Rammy mentions and then just do a bax transfer into their account.

They then transfer the money into the individual accounts of those concerned. (In Mauritius.)

As I've already said somewhere else on here, most UK banks are quite lax when it comes to transferring money abroad and from personal experience, Lloyds allow you to shift £25K a day with no questions asked.

Bredders- they've got to be careful that it doesn't pass through a UK bank account as that might catch them for tax purposes- so the accounts must all be in Mauritius.
Also the BBC will need to make sure that its set up so they can show it as a legitimate business expense to get tax relief.
It probably runs into tens of millions a year passing from the BBC to their contracted 'employees'.
One way to stamp it out is for the BBC charter to be re-examined and payments like these to be made in  the UK for anyone who works for them.
They can then sort their tax position out for themselves using as many lawyers as they want.
I wonder in the Mrs Brown boys shower are Irish citizens?
We've got  a strong double tax treaty with the Republic so that should  sort things out.

25If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Mon Nov 06 2017, 17:43

Bollotom2014

Bollotom2014
Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Thanks for all those explanations. To me as a simple man it looks like a fiddle, probably smells like a fiddle and if it could walk, etc. I owed my old man £11000 and tried to pay him in one go but Barclays said no. £10,000 maximum but could pay the other £1000 the next day. End of year gorra letter from HMRC asking me about it. Quick enough to slate the innocent but don't seem to grab the greedy buggers.

26If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Mon Nov 06 2017, 18:47

Bread2.0

Bread2.0
Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Cheers Rammy.

It's all very complicated isn't it?

They'd have been better off smuggling blood diamonds up their arse like you did.

Far simpler.

27If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Mon Nov 06 2017, 19:43

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

Bread2.0 wrote:Cheers Rammy.

It's all very complicated isn't it?

They'd have been better off smuggling blood diamonds up their arse like you did.

Far simpler.

But the sharp bits gave me a helluva sore arse!!

28If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Mon Nov 06 2017, 20:00

Bread2.0

Bread2.0
Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Very Happy

All joking apart, I hope everything's going alright in that department.

29If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Mon Nov 06 2017, 20:05

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

I'll let you know on Thursday- seeing the people at Christies then for an update.

30If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Mon Nov 06 2017, 20:10

Bread2.0

Bread2.0
Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Fingers crossed, mate.

Hope it all goes well.

31If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Mon Nov 06 2017, 20:15

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Bread2.0 wrote:Fingers crossed, mate.

Hope it all goes well.
I'll second that. :good:

32If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Mon Nov 06 2017, 21:10

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Me too. Best wishes for the future Rammy.

34If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Mon Nov 06 2017, 21:53

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

The Pope shits in the woods.
Or am I getting mixed up?

35If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Mon Nov 06 2017, 22:01

Bread2.0

Bread2.0
Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Is the bear a catholic?

36If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Mon Nov 06 2017, 22:04

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

Good luck Rammy.

37If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Mon Nov 06 2017, 22:11

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Bread2.0 wrote:Is the bear a catholic?
If you are rich ... - Page 2 Pandapope cheers

39If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Tue Nov 07 2017, 08:34

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha


If HMRC were given the legal basis to stop this we could all pay less tax.

40If you are rich ... - Page 2 Empty Re: If you are rich ... Tue Nov 07 2017, 13:34

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

xmiles wrote:

If HMRC were given the legal basis to stop this we could all pay less tax.
We'd probably end up paying more though because foreign investors who put their money into the UK and use the UK financial system generate a huge proportion of the UK's total income. Despite successive governments offering tax incentives to e.g. open a car plant in the North East, buy a football team or build us a nuclear power plant we still make relative fortunes from and are dependent on foreign investment. If we further increase taxation on our rich individuals and companies, so will they - and as UK employment and infrastructure plummets as a result, so taxes will rise to compensate.
It all goes back to selling off our resources and closing our less profitable industries during the Thatcher years - a trend that was continued in Blair's first tenure - because we have opened our doors to foreign investors and are now dependent on them.

Remember Thatcher's sidekick Keith Joseph's famous speech in which he said:
"Growth Means Change". He argued that British industry was "overmanned" with "too low earnings and too little profit and too little investment". The answer lay in shedding factory workers, which would make industrial companies leaner and free up labour for new businesses.
"This is growth," Joseph said. "Whether the new work is in industry, commerce or services, public or private ... The working population must choose between narrow illusory job security in one place propped up by public funds or the real job security based on a prosperous dynamic economy."
Five years later, the Conservatives encouraged just that process: first came an austerity programme that saw nearly one in four of all manufacturing jobs disappear within Thatcher's first term. Then followed privatisations and an economic policy geared towards a housing boom and the City. Despite Joseph's assertions, the middle-aged engineers who were laid off didn't go away and become software engineers – they largely landed up in worse jobs or on the scrapheap.
The "vision" that basically bet the farm on Britain becoming the world leader in technology and finance whilst at the same time selling off our natural resources in the North Sea and opening our doors to unprecedented levels of foreign investment has burnt our bridges. 
We don't lead the world in technology and our financial centres will probably be relocated to the EU after Brexit, so the last thing we need to do is piss off foreign investment and by further taxing our own we are likely to do just that.
Currently 13% of private properties in our capital are foreign owned plus a further 36,000  central London properties belong to offshore investors. 

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