Brexit negotiations

Some alternative careers for May (Extracted from The Daily Mash):

Automated rail announcer
May’s robotic speaking style is perfect for tedious announcements like “The 14.32 to Wigan is now ready to depart”. She’s also so boring she’d probably get really into it.

Cold caller
Two key aspects of cold-calling sales jobs are repeating the same script endlessly and people wishing you’d fuck off.

Dickens character
It’s worryingly easy to imagine May as the cruel governess of a home for orphans. Possibly called ‘Miss Jabgrind’, she would have entitled little shits like Oliver Twist deported.

Just wondering how it's going to pan out for Theresa May? She's already forfeited the Tory leadership in the next election and is sticking to her guns about forcing through the idea that the only choice is her deal or no deal. Having chickened out of putting her deal to the Parliamentary vote she's now delaying to try to run down the clock to ramp up the pressure on Parliament and as precious time slips away, the more likely they are to accept any old shite even if nobody voted for it.
Starting to look like the only choice will be no deal. In fact she'll do anything to avoid asking the people what we think now that we know the deal she agreed isn't acceptable to anyone.

No doubt a no deal will suit some of the posters here despite even May admitting it will be a disaster.

Cajunboy wrote:Why do remainers insist on calling a second referendum a People's Vote?

Why do brexiteers say giving people a vote "would threaten the very fabric of our democracy"?

Because the result of the first vote will have been ignored?

Quite simple really.

If you did that in a general election I take it you'd be fine with it?

xmiles wrote:Why do brexiteers say giving people a vote "would threaten the very fabric of our democracy"?

Because it would.

We had a vote, the leave campaign won. It really is that simple. You can't keep having referendums until you get the result you want.

If the country had voted to remain in the EU you'd have laughed at any attempt to have another vote.

If brexit is such a great thing surely people will vote for it again if there is a second referendum. However brexiteers are scared to hold a second vote because they are worried people might just understand exactly what is on offer.

And as for "You can't keep having referendums until you get the result you want" that was the entire basis of the brexit campaign. We had already had a vote to join the EU.

And of course Farage never accepted that a 52/48 win for remain would prevent calls for another referendum. He famously said "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it." Double standards clearly apply for brexit fans.

                                           

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Because the result of the first vote will have been ignored?

Quite simple really.

If you did that in a general election I take it you'd be fine with it?

In a General Election a 52/48 split would not count as a majority. In a General Election the ex-pats denied a vote in the referendum would have got to vote. Fuck "democracy". It's a joke. People voted for something that was an imposibility to start with, but Farage and Johnson papered over that fact by spinning lie after lie.

There should be a second referendum for the simple reason that, at the time of the first, the clear majority of British people did not understand Brexit and the idea of leaving the EU was based on false pretence. If the government wasn't sure on the process and what Brexit meant then how could the public be expected to?

Now that everyone has had the opportunity to better educate themselves (after having it rammed down our throats for the past 2 and a half years) and finally understands what they're actually voting for, surely now is the time to take it to the vote.

xmiles wrote:If brexit is such a great thing surely people will vote for it again if there is a second referendum. However brexiteers are scared to hold a second vote because they are worried people might just understand exactly what is on offer.

You might be right, a second vote may go the other way. But that really isn't the point as you well know.

We had a vote, a clear result was given, that is the end of the story.

Here's an idea... there should be 5 multiple choice questions on the subject at the top of the voting slip. Answer these questions correctly and your vote counts. Get them wrong and your vote doesn't count because you're too stupid to bother finding out what you're actually voting for. Seems fair to me.

You seem to be suggesting that less well educated people might be inclined to vote brexit fin.

finlaymcdanger wrote:There should be a second referendum for the simple reason that, at the time of the first, the clear majority of British people did not understand Brexit and the idea of leaving the EU was based on false pretence. If the government wasn't sure on the process and what Brexit meant then how could the public be expected to?

Now that everyone has had the opportunity to better educate themselves (after having it rammed down our throats for the past 2 and a half years) and finally understands what they're actually voting for, surely now is the time to take it to the vote.

I agree.
Furthermore, it should have been stipulated that anything less than a 60-40 split would have ensured the status quo.
The Brexiteers were sold a lie, and are coming to understand the consequences.
Brexit doesn't mean Brexit. It means chaos.

I'm not sure how it will affect slipper imports, but it's got me worried.

Time to stockpile slippers bonce. The latest plans from the EU don't seem to cover slipper exports.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46617152

xmiles wrote:You seem to be suggesting that less well educated people might be inclined to vote brexit fin.

Is that how it sounds? 

No. I'm just saying that I think the public should have been better educated, not lied to, and therefore protected from committing to a future they didn't (and still don't) understand. Having a rudimentary understanding of what you're voting for should be a requirement to my mind.

finlaymcdanger wrote:

xmiles wrote:You seem to be suggesting that less well educated people might be inclined to vote brexit fin.

Is that how it sounds? 

No. I'm just saying that I think the public should have been better educated, not lied to, and therefore protected from committing to a future they didn't (and still don't) understand. Having a rudimentary understanding of what you're voting for should be a requirement to my mind.

I completely agree. Both campaigns were a travesty.

Dunkels King wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Because the result of the first vote will have been ignored?

Quite simple really.

If you did that in a general election I take it you'd be fine with it?

In a General Election a 52/48 split would not count as a majority. In a General Election the ex-pats denied a vote in the referendum would have got to vote. Fuck "democracy". It's a joke. People voted for something that was an imposibility to start with, but Farage and Johnson papered over that fact by spinning lie after lie.

Yes you're right no one ever lies in a general election campaign.