Brexit negotiations

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:
You seriously think the Tory party is right wing?

When their last manifesto was lifted from the Ed Stone?

There is no conservative party at the moment. It's new labour Vs old labour Marxists.

What sort of policies are you after?

Lower taxes would be a start.

Vote UKIP then.

T.R.O.Y wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:
You seriously think the Tory party is right wing?

When their last manifesto was lifted from the Ed Stone?

There is no conservative party at the moment. It's new labour Vs old labour Marxists.

What sort of policies are you after?

Lower taxes would be a start.

Vote UKIP then.

Yes they will definitely form the next government.

Did you notice the LibDems stopped shouting about proportional representation, when they got in with the Tories?

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:
You seriously think the Tory party is right wing?

When their last manifesto was lifted from the Ed Stone?

There is no conservative party at the moment. It's new labour Vs old labour Marxists.

What sort of policies are you after?

Lower taxes would be a start.

Vote UKIP then.

Yes they will definitely form the next government.

You’ll need to find some other policies to vote for then.

Go Green Hipster. It's the new blue.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:
You seriously think the Tory party is right wing?

When their last manifesto was lifted from the Ed Stone?

There is no conservative party at the moment. It's new labour Vs old labour Marxists.

What sort of policies are you after?

Lower taxes would be a start.

So even less money for the NHS, social services, education, infrastructure, the police, etc. Sound great if you are rich.

Brexit supporter caught telling lies shock:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46926119

Well it is Boris - a man incapable of telling the truth.

This woman is a bit dim:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/18/theresa-may-leaves-diplomats-disbelief-presenting-eu-leaders/amp/

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:"far right" Jesus Christ. 

Thought Jesus Christ was a commie?

To suggest anyone in the modern conservative party is far right is just ridiculous. 

It is ridiculous which is why I said I wasn't specifically referring to the Tory politicians. The politicians in the modern conservative party are just dumb puppets of the right wing billionaires like Robert Mercer who engineered both the Leave campaign and Trump's election. The conservatives are too dumb and too self interested to have any concept of what's really happening on the global stage.

Boris denies lying to the British people during the EU referendum. Another lie.
There's a very funny scene in "Brexit - the Uncivil War" where a leave voter actually believed the entire population of Turkey was coming to Britain. Not that I'm suggesting that Leave voters are thick as well as gullible. I'm not.

T.R.O.Y wrote:This woman is a bit dim:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/18/theresa-may-leaves-diplomats-disbelief-presenting-eu-leaders/amp/

She is incapable of realising her own limitations. She mistakes stubborness for negotiation.

And this was in the Telegraph too!

Surely its all delay tactics and she has a cunning plan up her sleeve?

xmiles wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:This woman is a bit dim:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/18/theresa-may-leaves-diplomats-disbelief-presenting-eu-leaders/amp/

She is incapable of realising her own limitations. She mistakes stubborness for negotiation.

And this was in the Telegraph too!

So there is a back up plan after all. What a f****** moron we have as a "leader" - she's an embarrassment.

finlaymcdanger wrote:Surely its all delay tactics and she has a cunning plan up her sleeve?

If she persists with this stupidity we will end up with a no deal brexit. Perhaps that is what she wants. She clearly has no plan B.

xmiles wrote:

finlaymcdanger wrote:Surely its all delay tactics and she has a cunning plan up her sleeve?

If she persists with this stupidity we will end up with a no deal brexit. Perhaps that is what she wants. She clearly has no plan B.

I'm pretty sure that's what Mercer, Banks etc want - and their puppets the ERG.
Here's the article in the New Yorker which first brought the issue of the covert international far right campaign to create nationalist movements on both sides of the Atlantic to light and called for a Mueller style investigation in the UK, particularly with the suspicion of Russian involvement.
All a bit conspiracy theory, but the intelligence services will have a hard time getting a conviction given the wealth and influence of those behind the plot so I'm not expecting a result before it's too late - as it looks too late already. We've been had.

wanderlust wrote:Boris denies lying to the British people during the EU referendum. Another lie.
There's a very funny scene in "Brexit - the Uncivil War" where a leave voter actually believed the entire population of Turkey was coming to Britain. Not that I'm suggesting that Leave voters are thick as well as gullible. I'm not.

About as believable as "remain and reform"

No deal means no deal - literally.

One of the many lies told to voters in the referendum was that countries would be "queuing up" to do trade with Britain once we left the EU - a promise reiterated by International Trade (?) Secretary Lying Fox last year when he asserted he would have 40 new deals signed by the time we leave to replace the 27 direct deals with the EU countries themselves we are going to lose and the 36 trade deals done between the EU (of which we were a part) and covering 60 major trading countries like Japan, Australia and Mexico.

Trade deals signed so far? Erm...zero i.e. none, fuck all, nada.

So with just 36 working days left before the walls go up, the UK is going to have to sign more than a deal a day - despite having agreed a grand total of none in two years. And even if they manage to get to the 40 promised, they will still be 23 short of the number of trade deals we will have lost although there is apparently a plan in place to copy and paste the EU - non EU deals after we leave - if the non-EU countries agree to it.

The saddest thing of all is that Britain was once the number one trading nation in the world, a country built on international trade and the free movement of people, and since Thatcher sold off our oil and gas and closed down our traditional industries we are more dependent on foreign trade now that at any time in our history.

It was pointed out today that no country in the world trades exclusively on a WTO basis yet the brexiteers think this would be a good thing. Still let's not bother with facts when enough people will believe blatant lies.

xmiles wrote:It was pointed out today that no country in the world trades exclusively on a WTO basis yet the brexiteers think this would be a good thing. Still let's not bother with facts when enough people will believe blatant lies.

Who pointed this out ?

Did they also point out that many bilateral deals began with WTO rules.

Wander, it was stated on Andrew Marr this morning that the Brexit trade secretary promised that 40 agreements would be signed, by the time we leave.  It would seem that there was ever only 37, of which 34 are  signed in preparation, with another one to be signed on Tuesday. There again, he could be blatantly lying on national TV, although I've heard nothing to the contrary, unless of course XM knows something that the rest of us don't.

Meanwhile outside of the London bubble. 

According to the Sky News data national poll, the country does not want a second referendum. 


The #BrexitCrisis studio audience agree as well. They voted 58% no.