Tory Cuts

I believe child benefit and some tax credits can be received on people earning up to £50,000 a year can't they?

Also kids from the age of 2 can receive so many hours a week free regardless although this may depend on your local council.

So there are entitlements people can receive who do work.

I do know that in Bolton, people on benefits have to pay a proportion of council tax (not sure of amount). Yes I get it comes out of the money they receieve from the government but atleast it's something the local council receives.

They don't earn any money? So it's not a new receipt.

xmiles wrote:I don't know why you think you pay too much tax because obviously I don't know your circumstances but if you live in a society some people are going to be net contributors and some net beneficiaries. It will also change as your circumstances change.

To me fair taxation would involve three things:
1. a mansion tax on property worth over say £1,000,000
2. raising the tax thresholds and introducing a top rate of income tax of 50%
3. taking effective steps to deal with tax avoidance.

Would either of the first two options impact on yourself XM?

xmiles wrote:So do you want to see Victorian workhouses reintroduced or are you saying the unemployed should just be left to starve?

I think the Government could be a lot smarter in considering what contribution unemployed people could make to society by introducing a state work programme that competes in the market. It's not that there are jobs that don't need doing  it's just that in times of prosperity, folk are employed to do them but they get laid off when the economy has a downturn. Surely if the State employs e.g. laid off folk in all sectors to do what they are trained to do, service provision gaps and manufacturing shortfalls could be filled and the money spent on benefits would go towards their wages.

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:I don't know why you think you pay too much tax because obviously I don't know your circumstances but if you live in a society some people are going to be net contributors and some net beneficiaries. It will also change as your circumstances change.

To me fair taxation would involve three things:
1. a mansion tax on property worth over say £1,000,000
2. raising the tax thresholds and introducing a top rate of income tax of 50%
3. taking effective steps to deal with tax avoidance.

Would either of the first two options impact on yourself XM?

Yes, so what is your point?

Crikey xmiles lives in a mansion worth over a million quid.

Why not just pay more tax now xmiles? You can clearly afford it, and you're passionate about it from our exchanges I can see that.

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:I don't know why you think you pay too much tax because obviously I don't know your circumstances but if you live in a society some people are going to be net contributors and some net beneficiaries. It will also change as your circumstances change.

To me fair taxation would involve three things:
1. a mansion tax on property worth over say £1,000,000
2. raising the tax thresholds and introducing a top rate of income tax of 50%
3. taking effective steps to deal with tax avoidance.

Would either of the first two options impact on yourself XM?

Yes, so what is your point?

It explains your attitude to some aspects of Brexit. 
Remaining in the EU only to safeguard your income/savings, remarks about Northeners, and your embitterment towards the whole Brexit argument. You're afraid you're going to lose too much.

Don’t think many would trade an ideologically driven Brexit for losing money Glos. Millionaire remain voter or working class leave voter.

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:I don't know why you think you pay too much tax because obviously I don't know your circumstances but if you live in a society some people are going to be net contributors and some net beneficiaries. It will also change as your circumstances change.

To me fair taxation would involve three things:
1. a mansion tax on property worth over say £1,000,000
2. raising the tax thresholds and introducing a top rate of income tax of 50%
3. taking effective steps to deal with tax avoidance.

Would either of the first two options impact on yourself XM?

Yes, so what is your point?

It explains your attitude to some aspects of Brexit. 
Remaining in the EU only to safeguard your income/savings, remarks about Northeners, and your embitterment towards the whole Brexit argument. You're afraid you're going to lose too much.

So many things wrong in so few words!

1. How does advocating a fairer system of taxation explain my "attitude to some aspects of brexit"?
2. Where have I ever said I want to remain in the EU to safeguard my income/savings, let alone that it is the only reason?
3. What remarks about Northeners? Show me where I have said anything disrespectful about Northeners.
4. What brexit argument? All I have seen is wishful thinking, lies and prejudice. Brexit fans refuse to engage with facts.
5. What is it you think I am going to lose too much of if we leave the EU that vast numbers of other people won't also lose?

Pay more tax now then? What's stopping you.

I sometimes get the impression that xmiles is the only sane one in this whole crazy business. 

The Tory woman on the panel of Qu Time last night was outrageously and dangerously misguided. 
The word "scare-mongering" has become the go-to word for statements  that are actually based on reality, experience and wisdom. I had thought that denying the truth was Trump's forte, but now it's clear that the UK, from May downwards, has caught the disease. It's as if half the population would rather risk catastrophe than be proved wrong.

All statements based on brexit are a prediction. It is a future event after all.

Some might be better placed to comment than others of course but it's a prediction non the less.

Thanks okocha.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:All statements based on brexit are a prediction. It is a future event after all.

Some might be better placed to comment than others of course but it's a prediction non the less.

Some predictions are more realistic than others and some predictions were just barefaced lies such as the £350m for the NHS and Turkey being about to join the EU.