What is your reaction to this?

You’re grasping.

T.R.O.Y wrote:You’re grasping.

Me?

I don't even have much of an interest in politics, even though at one time I used to be in daily contact with local councillors and the areas MP.

All I was adding to your conversation with Hipster were some facts and context.

Yes Corbyn led the party with the biggest increase in vote share since 1945 - but in the very same election (2017) Teresa May led the party with sixth biggest increase in that time.

Do you know who had the second biggest increase in those seventy odd years - it was UKIP in 2015 - and following the Brexit results of June 2016, it's vote for the 2017 election completely collapsed (it was only ever a one issue party - and once it won what is was after it no longer had any real purpose for being) and all their votes went to both Labour and Conservative in the following years GE.

Hence why Corbyn AND May BOTH got such a big increase in vote share for that particular election.

And if you want some added irony, Corbyn lost and May was blamed for how badly the Conservatives performed - so neither actually gained anything from their boosted vote shares!

I only view this thread because I expect arguments. Fucking pull your fingers out

Sluffy wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:You’re grasping.

Me?

I don't even have much of an interest in politics, even though at one time I used to be in daily contact with local councillors and the areas MP.

All I was adding to your conversation with Hipster were some facts and context.

Yes Corbyn led the party with the biggest increase in vote share since 1945 - but in the very same election (2017) Teresa May led the party with sixth biggest increase in that time.

Do you know who had the second biggest increase in those seventy odd years - it was UKIP in 2015 - and following the Brexit results of June 2016, it's vote for the 2017 election completely collapsed (it was only ever a one issue party - and once it won what is was after it no longer had any real purpose for being) and all their votes went to both Labour and Conservative in the following years GE.

Hence why Corbyn AND May BOTH got such a big increase in vote share for that particular election.

And if you want some added irony, Corbyn lost and May was blamed for how badly the Conservatives performed - so neither actually gained anything from their boosted vote shares!

Statement: Corbyn is a vote loser.

Fact: Corbyn increased the parties vote share.

I’m not arguing anything else, that’s the only point I’m making. Only you could try and force a row out of it. But you’re grasping.

T.R.O.Y wrote:

Sluffy wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:You’re grasping.

Me?

I don't even have much of an interest in politics, even though at one time I used to be in daily contact with local councillors and the areas MP.

All I was adding to your conversation with Hipster were some facts and context.

Yes Corbyn led the party with the biggest increase in vote share since 1945 - but in the very same election (2017) Teresa May led the party with sixth biggest increase in that time.

Do you know who had the second biggest increase in those seventy odd years - it was UKIP in 2015 - and following the Brexit results of June 2016, it's vote for the 2017 election completely collapsed (it was only ever a one issue party - and once it won what is was after it no longer had any real purpose for being) and all their votes went to both Labour and Conservative in the following years GE.

Hence why Corbyn AND May BOTH got such a big increase in vote share for that particular election.

And if you want some added irony, Corbyn lost and May was blamed for how badly the Conservatives performed - so neither actually gained anything from their boosted vote shares!

Statement: Corbyn is a vote loser.

Fact: Corbyn increased the parties vote share.

I’m not arguing anything else, that’s the only point I’m making. Only you could try and force a row out of it. But you’re grasping.

Eh???

I wasn't even partaking in the debate - I simply posted some facts and the context to them.

Don't be dragging me into your arguments, I deliberately steer clear of you the best I can.

and...

Fact: Corbyn AND May increased their parties vote share because UKIP's vote collapsed in 2017.

A really strange statement. Clearly UKIP was a contributing factor, but it was not the only one. Unless you think the massively increased youth that turned out we’re UKIP voters? And what about the collapse of the Lib Dem’s?

And you don’t win votes by default because a party’s vote collapses. You still need to win those votes.

So again, you’re grasping. Give it up.

T.R.O.Y wrote:A really strange statement. Clearly UKIP was a contributing factor, but it was not the only one. Unless you think the massively increased youth that turned out we’re UKIP voters? And what about the collapse of the Lib Dem’s?

And you don’t win votes by default because a party’s vote collapses. You still need to win those votes.

So again, you’re grasping. Give it up.

Sluffy wrote: I deliberately steer clear of you the best I can.

Can anybody guess why I do?

Listen, I'm not interested in politics.

The Lib Dem vote was more or less the same in 2017 as it was in 2015 - it crashed in 2015 following their feeble performance in their coalition with Cameron

UKIP's vote dropped from 3.9 million to 600,000 - about 3.3 million votes.

SNP dropped by 500,000.

Labour picked up 3.5 million and the Conservatives 2.3 million

Those are the facts - put whatever spin you want on them because I simply don't care.

They're all as bad as each other as far as I'm concerned.

2015 stats -
http://www.ukpolitical.info/2015.htm

2017 stats -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2017/results

You have a special talent for missing the point. Nobody’s arguing the votes had to be picked up from somewhere.

You stuck your oar in saying Labours increase in votes was no achievement because of UKIPs collapse. Which is a nonsense, unless you post an attribution metric of those voters to Labour. And you completely avoid commenting on Labours mobilisation of the youth vote.

The youth quake was proven to be largely a load of rubbish as well.

As well as what?

Sorry. The youth quake was proven to be a load of rubbish.

Isn't Momentum comprised mainly of younger voters? Doing a fine job in reforming the Party aren't they?    
Doubt they would survive as a Party once Labour has imploded.

Momentum isn’t a political party...

All the people Labour picked up are leaving in droves. They are not an opposition party. Jeremy Corbyn is not fit to lead. He is on a mission to destroy the UK by pushing through a Brexit that he can blame on the Tories. The problem for him is people aren`t so stupid and can see what is going on. Letting that arsehole Derek Hatton back in to the Labour Party just shows the direction Labour is heading. The Independants will make big inroads, especially with Vince Cable saying they could work with them.

as for that Girl. Bring her back to the UK and lock her up for 50 years. She is not the responsibility of Bangladesh, nor The Netherlands. She is British and has to face British justice. That idiot Home Secretary has no clue what he is doing. At the time the UK needs to show the World it is operating within the Law, it is making them up as it goes along.

gloswhite wrote:Isn't Momentum comprised mainly of younger voters? 

No.

Dunkels King wrote:All the people Labour picked up are leaving in droves. They are not an opposition party. Jeremy Corbyn is not fit to lead. He is on a mission to destroy the UK by pushing through a Brexit that he can blame on the Tories. The problem for him is people aren`t so stupid and can see what is going on. Letting that arsehole Derek Hatton back in to the Labour Party just shows the direction Labour is heading. The Independants will make big inroads, especially with Vince Cable saying they could work with them.

as for that Girl. Bring her back to the UK and lock her up for 50 years. She is not the responsibility of Bangladesh, nor The Netherlands. She is British and has to face British justice. That idiot Home Secretary has no clue what he is doing. At the time the UK needs to show the World it is operating within the Law, it is making them up as it goes along.

Weak man

Begum’s newborn son has passed away according to reports in the Guardian. Wonder if that affects anyone’s opinion on this?

T.R.O.Y wrote:Begum’s newborn son has passed away according to reports in the Guardian. Wonder if that affects anyone’s opinion on this?

No

Nor me either.

Although I did see that Dianne Abbot has been affected by this!