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1Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Vote for the Brexit Party! on Fri Apr 12 2019, 23:21

Sluffy

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New party created by Farage and featuring Rees-Mogg's sister - how could you possibly not do so?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47907350

2Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Sat Apr 13 2019, 01:21

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I’m voting...

3Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Sat Apr 13 2019, 09:04

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I'm liking this. Negotiations are going so well that Farage feels the need to set up another vote-splitting party.

I might vote for them myself depending on which Brexit they're campaigning for. Wink

4Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Sat Apr 13 2019, 09:44

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
I think many of the UKIP followers will move across to the new party, preferring to follow a politician who has achieved what he said he would, rather than the old party who are now taking on unknown people, and are being 'advised' by ultra right wing supporters. Unfortunately, I think the absolute disregard of a lawful and democratic vote has turned many people away from ever voting again.

5Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Sat Apr 13 2019, 10:09

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
This is great. Yet more pictures of Farage with a fag and a pint.

6Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Sat Apr 13 2019, 10:19

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote: I think the absolute disregard of a lawful and democratic vote has turned many people away from ever voting again.
To be fair there was a significant proportion of leave voters who had never voted before the referendum either who were targeted by the leave campaign. The leave campaign targeted 3 million registered voters who had never previously cast a vote in a general or local election whose contact details were provided via Cambridge Analytica  - roughly the same number of registered voters working abroad who were unable to vote and those two factors combined to give leave their narrow victory.

And with a potential bias of 6 million voters in leave's favour (admittedly half of which was caused by the remain campaigns incompetence) the swing of 635K voters required to deliver a remain win is tiny.

I doubt the majority of those who had never voted before but came out to vote for leave in the referendum will ever vote again anyway, especially as the tactics used to engage them left them blissfully unaware of what they were voting for or how it would affect them in the first place.

7Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Sat Apr 13 2019, 10:23

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
BTW the referendum was neither lawful or democratic.

8Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Sat Apr 13 2019, 10:52

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@wanderlust wrote:BTW the referendum was neither lawful or democratic.

Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep

9Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Sat Apr 13 2019, 11:08

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@karlypants wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:BTW the referendum was neither lawful or democratic.

Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep
...sleepwalking into disaster Smile

10Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Sat Apr 13 2019, 11:57

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@karlypants wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:BTW the referendum was neither lawful or democratic.

Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep

They just don't get it do they.

11Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Sat Apr 13 2019, 12:48

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
When they said that the leave "promises" were undeliverable they must have been completely wrong seeing as it's going so well. Smile

12Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Mon Apr 15 2019, 08:32

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Vote for the Brexit Party! 56965499_1248780741949200_4288532399903473664_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1

13Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Mon Apr 15 2019, 09:28

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
@wanderlust wrote:BTW the referendum was neither lawful or democratic.

I think it was both- but not legally binding. And its utterly undemocratic not to see if people think the same way now as they did a couple of years ago about the most important political issue this country has faced in decades. What are you Brexiteers afraid of? That the truth  about the consequence of leaving might emerge?
If you're so sure that the majority of the voters of this country want to leave - then lets have another referendum to prove it. Tell me what you're so frightened of? Democracy??

14Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Mon Apr 15 2019, 10:40

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@rammywhite wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:BTW the referendum was neither lawful or democratic.

I think it was both- but not legally binding. And its utterly undemocratic not to see if people think the same way now as they did a couple of years ago about the most important political issue this country has faced in decades. What are you Brexiteers afraid of? That the truth  about the consequence of leaving might emerge?
If you're so sure that the majority of the voters of this country want to leave - then lets have another referendum to prove it. Tell me what you're so frightened of? Democracy??
The "lawful" bit is still to be decided as although the Police have been handed the Electoral Commission's findings into Russian attempts to destabilise the UK and the EU in the referendum and funding, voter targeting and other malpractice by foreign-based companies including Steve Bannon's lot, they "decided" (i.e. were told) to narrow the scope of the investigation, but are still expected to produce answers at some point.
Notable bits under investigation are:
243.Kremlin-aligned media published significant numbers of unique articles about the EU referendum. 89 Up researchers analysed the most shared of the articles, and identified 261 with a clear anti-EU bias to the reporting. The two main outlets were RT and Sputnik, with video produced by Ruptly.271  The articles that went most viral had the heaviest anti-EU bias.272  The social reach of these anti-EU articles published by the Kremlin-owned channels was 134 million potential impressions, in comparison with a total reach of just 33 million and 11 million potential impressions for all content shared from the Vote Leave website and Leave.EU  website respectively.273  The value for a comparable paid social media campaign would be between £1.4 and 4.14 million.
244.On 17 January 2019, Facebook removed 289 Pages and 75 accounts from its site, accounts that had about 790,000 followers and had spent around $135,000 on ads between October 2013 and January 2019. The sites had been run by employees at the Russian state-owned news agency Sputnik, who represented themselves as independent news or general interest Pages. Around 190 events were hosted by these Pages (the first was scheduled for August 2015 and the most recent was scheduled for January 2019).274
245.Nathaniel Gleicher, Facebook’s head of cybersecurity policy, wrote: “Despite their misrepresentations of their identities, we found that these Pages and accounts were linked to employees of Sputnik, a news agency based in Moscow, and that some of the Pages frequently posted about topics like anti-NATO sentiment, protest movements, and anti-corruption.”275  Facebook also removed 107 Pages, groups and accounts that were designed to look as if they were run from Ukraine, but were part of a network that originated in Russia.
And then there's Farage's mate Bannon and Cambridge Analytica and Bannon is on record as saying his objective is to destabilise our and other Governments.

15Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Mon Apr 15 2019, 12:05

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Norpig wrote:Vote for the Brexit Party! 56965499_1248780741949200_4288532399903473664_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1

Laughing

16Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Mon Apr 15 2019, 21:04

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
Lets just say that calling the referendum was legal even if the outcome can be legally challenged.
I don't think any one can claim that it wasn't democratic as will be the re-run.

17Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Tue Apr 16 2019, 10:56

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Let's put leave on hold for now and have a referendum every year to see if anyone changes their mind anyone got any ideas how long it should run for? or maybe we should have an electronic running total so we can see how it goes daily? also if leave keeps winning how should we get round that just fucking ignore it like now?

18Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Tue Apr 16 2019, 11:22

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Hey remainers, you will never overturn that result and we will leave because no matter how many referendums remain loses every time. The only way is treachery and look how that's going and it's going to fuck up the whole system and the 3 parties they are finished with voters.

19Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Tue Apr 16 2019, 11:28

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
People hate to admit they are wrong so if there is another referendum it could go either way. The only difference is that we will now know what the deal is unlike the last time.

20Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Tue Apr 16 2019, 11:43

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
We won't know what the deal is. Its only the beginning of yet another long, drawn-out process.

Bear in mind that the leavers who say they will now vote remain are mostly doing so because they are fed up with the process and not the aim to leave the EU. If there is another vote, they may well revert to their original choice. Unfortunately, absolutely nothing is guaranteed other than we will again cause ourselves serious problems.

21Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Tue Apr 16 2019, 12:25

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
I expect us to at least know whether the deal involves us remaining in the customs union as that seems to be a red line for the Labour party. However with Corbyn involved who knows?

22Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Tue Apr 16 2019, 13:08

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
We're up shit creek, but at least JC's got a paddle.
Vote for the Brexit Party! JeremyCorbynActivity1504-4

23Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Tue Apr 16 2019, 15:23

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@xmiles wrote:I expect us to at least know whether the deal involves us remaining in the customs union as that seems to be a red line for the Labour party. However with Corbyn involved who knows?
I think this is one red line that  will be the stumbling block, however May is getting more erratic in her behavior, so it wouldn't surprise me if she gave in to this demand. She's sold out a lot of the principles she was supposed to be defending, so another one may not make much difference to her.

24Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Tue Apr 16 2019, 23:13

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@xmiles wrote:People hate to admit they are wrong so if there is another referendum it could go either way. The only difference is that we will now know what the deal is unlike the last time.
 We  didn't vote for a deal ffs how many times.

25Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Tue Apr 16 2019, 23:35

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Angry Dad wrote:
@xmiles wrote:People hate to admit they are wrong so if there is another referendum it could go either way. The only difference is that we will now know what the deal is unlike the last time.
 We  didn't vote for a deal ffs how many times.

You know what you voted for but not every leave voter wanted the same thing.

Hardly surprising when Daniel Hannan, the Tory MEP who is often described as the “godfather of Brexit” repeatedly assured voters that Britain would not leave the single market if they voted to leave the EU.

“Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market,” he said.

Owen Paterson, a Tory MP and a prominent campaigner for Vote Leave made similar claims.

“Only a madman would actually leave the market,” Mr Paterson said.

Following the referendum Oliver Norgrove, a former Vote Leave staffer, who supports staying in the single market, urged people to check the official campaign’s website and official literature – noting that the things they had campaigned for were “utterly achievable in the EEA and make no mention at all of leaving the single market”.

26Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Wed Apr 17 2019, 19:17

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Ahead in the latest polls.

Ha ha.

27Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Wed Apr 17 2019, 21:19

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:Ahead in the latest polls.

Ha ha.

For the European Parliament elections - Pretty important detail that.

28Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Wed Apr 17 2019, 22:40

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Well obviously. 

They're a one issue party.

29Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Wed Apr 17 2019, 23:40

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:Well obviously. 

They're a one issue party.
So what exactly are they going to do if elected and if we leave?

30Vote for the Brexit Party! Empty Re: Vote for the Brexit Party! on Thu Apr 18 2019, 08:05

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Leave?

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