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81Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 03 2019, 20:33

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Sluffy wrote:
BoltonTillIDie wrote:I'm sure not one single person will miss Ken, why would they?

Well unless I've missed something I don't think he's been arrested yet for anything he's done illegally at the club and if he has apparently robbed it blind then why are Bassan, Bassini, Gaspard, Dark Horse and even the ST all lining up to buy it from him?

He's run the club as a business, been a bit of a hard nosed bastard whilst doing so maybe, but he was never here to piss away his life savings into it.

People can't seem to grasp that he's here to make some money out of the club for himself and not the other way around.

Anyway his time is nearly up and we will soon see if he gets put in jail or not.

My guess is 'not'!


Despite what you’re trying to tell yourself, not a single person thinks Anderson is in it for anything but the money.

People are pissed off because he’s making a public mockery of the club, it’s staff and players.

You can’t buy a Championship Club, invest nothing and expect success. Our success and the club are being sacrificed so Ken gets a payday.

82Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 03 2019, 20:48

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Natasha Whittam wrote:
Sluffy wrote:Well unless I've missed something I don't think he's been arrested yet for anything he's done illegally at the club and if he has apparently robbed it blind then why are Bassan, Bassini, Gaspard, Dark Horse and even the ST all lining up to buy it from him?

He's run the club as a business, been a bit of a hard nosed bastard whilst doing so maybe, but he was never here to piss away his life savings into it.

People can't seem to grasp that he's here to make some money out of the club for himself and not the other way around.

Anyway his time is nearly up and we will soon see if he gets put in jail or not.

My guess is 'not'!


If you were an employee of BWFC (I don't mean centre forward, although you couldn't be any worse), would you feel the same?

If I was an employee at BWFC when Holdsworth and Anderson took over three years ago I would have long since found myself another job and left.

If I saw a job advertised at BWFC in the last couple of years, then I would have turned over the page and looked for one I felt had more security to it.

If people have been there for three years or more then it surely wouldn't have come as a shock to them that they might once again not be paid on time. If they haven't the ambition, desire, need want, gumption, common sense, call it whatever you wish, to find themselves something more secure then that's entirely up to them but I don't find myself having a great deal of sympathy for them. The same goes for anyone taking up a job at the club since its widely been known about the money troubles there.


If people want to put themselves into the firing line, or haven't the sense to move away from it, then why are they then so surprised if they get shot?

83Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 03 2019, 21:18

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Sluffy wrote:
BoltonTillIDie wrote:I'm sure not one single person will miss Ken, why would they?

Well unless I've missed something I don't think he's been arrested yet for anything he's done illegally at the club and if he has apparently robbed it blind then why are Bassan, Bassini, Gaspard, Dark Horse and even the ST all lining up to buy it from him?

He's run the club as a business, been a bit of a hard nosed bastard whilst doing so maybe, but he was never here to piss away his life savings into it.

People can't seem to grasp that he's here to make some money out of the club for himself and not the other way around.

Anyway his time is nearly up and we will soon see if he gets put in jail or not.

My guess is 'not'!

Where have I claimed he's done anything illegal?  Are you going to miss him?

84Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 03 2019, 21:34

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Sluffy wrote:
Natasha Whittam wrote:
Sluffy wrote:Well unless I've missed something I don't think he's been arrested yet for anything he's done illegally at the club and if he has apparently robbed it blind then why are Bassan, Bassini, Gaspard, Dark Horse and even the ST all lining up to buy it from him?

He's run the club as a business, been a bit of a hard nosed bastard whilst doing so maybe, but he was never here to piss away his life savings into it.

People can't seem to grasp that he's here to make some money out of the club for himself and not the other way around.

Anyway his time is nearly up and we will soon see if he gets put in jail or not.

My guess is 'not'!


If you were an employee of BWFC (I don't mean centre forward, although you couldn't be any worse), would you feel the same?

If people want to put themselves into the firing line, or haven't the sense to move away from it, then why are they then so surprised if they get shot?

i didn't realise the Bolton area was so affluent, and that you could chop and change jobs with ease.

85Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 03 2019, 21:36

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Agree Glos, blaming the employees for not changing jobs is a new low.

86Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 03 2019, 21:39

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BoltonTillIDie wrote:
Sluffy wrote:
BoltonTillIDie wrote:I'm sure not one single person will miss Ken, why would they?

Well unless I've missed something I don't think he's been arrested yet for anything he's done illegally at the club and if he has apparently robbed it blind then why are Bassan, Bassini, Gaspard, Dark Horse and even the ST all lining up to buy it from him?

He's run the club as a business, been a bit of a hard nosed bastard whilst doing so maybe, but he was never here to piss away his life savings into it.

People can't seem to grasp that he's here to make some money out of the club for himself and not the other way around.

Anyway his time is nearly up and we will soon see if he gets put in jail or not.

My guess is 'not'!

Where have I claimed he's done anything illegal?  Are you going to miss him?

Yeah I think I am.

He's been quite entertaining over the last three years - a real life soap opera with him playing the pantomime villain - because everybody automatically boos him when he's on stage.

It's certainly not been boring for the last three years - that's for certain.

Oh no it's not...

Oh yes it has...!

Razz

87Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 03 2019, 21:46

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gloswhite wrote:
Sluffy wrote:
Natasha Whittam wrote:
Sluffy wrote:Well unless I've missed something I don't think he's been arrested yet for anything he's done illegally at the club and if he has apparently robbed it blind then why are Bassan, Bassini, Gaspard, Dark Horse and even the ST all lining up to buy it from him?

He's run the club as a business, been a bit of a hard nosed bastard whilst doing so maybe, but he was never here to piss away his life savings into it.

People can't seem to grasp that he's here to make some money out of the club for himself and not the other way around.

Anyway his time is nearly up and we will soon see if he gets put in jail or not.

My guess is 'not'!


If you were an employee of BWFC (I don't mean centre forward, although you couldn't be any worse), would you feel the same?

If people want to put themselves into the firing line, or haven't the sense to move away from it, then why are they then so surprised if they get shot?

i didn't realise the Bolton area was so affluent, and that you could chop and change jobs with ease.

If you've got the will, desire, drive and motivation you will find a suitable job for yourself soon enough - and certainly inside three years.

88Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Thu Apr 04 2019, 16:40

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I can confirm that Saturday’s Sky Bet Championship fixture against Ipswich Town and next Tuesday’s game against Middlesbrough will go ahead as scheduled after the Safety Advisory Group lifted the prohibition notice.

I would like to thank all the agencies involved as well as the council for their support in this matter. I would also like to thank Shaun Harvey and the EFL as well as Michael James (Prescott Business Parks) for their support.

The game against Ipswich is our annual community fixture, in conjunction with Bolton At Home and the Bolton Wanderers Community Trust, with tickets priced at just £5.00.

I hope as many supporters as possible take advantage of this offer as we look to fill the stadium to show their support for the club during this crucial phase of the season.

Bolton Central will also be running a special match day offer where supporters can get FREE personalisation on every home shirt purchased. Shirts are priced at just £19.99 so please hurry while stocks last.

We now look forward to two very important home fixtures and we hope that our supporters fully get behind the players.

Tickets for both games can be bought online by visiting eticketing.co.uk/bwfc

I thank you for your patience during this time and I hope you enjoy Saturday’s match.

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89Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 17 2019, 12:34

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Throughout my three years at the club, l have always tried to communicate with the supporters where possible, as l was very conscious that this was a criticism levied at my predecessors.
Despite this, there have been times when the local media have criticised me for excessive communications, but more recently for not communicating.
Unfortunately, my hands have been tied recently with confidentiality agreements etc which has obviously created problems with communicating.

Sadly, l continue to be shown reports in the media or posted on social media platforms that do not reflect the true facts.
This is because generally speaking, it’s pure speculation, as the authors have no access to what is actually happening.

Most recently there has been a great deal written and said about the club borrowing monies from the PFA to pay the players' salaries.
So to put the record straight once and for all, in my three years at the club the PFA have only once assisted in paying the players' salaries which was on Christmas Eve in 2018 and the monies were repaid on January 16, 2019.

I accept that l have made mistakes along the way and l have to admit that the player recruitment over the last two seasons has not been good enough, in so far, as many of the players recruited have not started, or even been included in the matchday squads this season.
With hindsight, this should have been addressed earlier, but as they say hindsight is a wonderful thing.

That said, it should also be remembered that ours is not the smallest player budget in the league, as is often incorrectly stated and substantial salaries in excess of £500,000 are being paid to a number of players who have not been involved for most of the season.

I still believe that the players' decision to go on a 48 hour strike on April 1 when their March salaries were not paid was premature and inappropriate and l question their explanation of why they did it.
If they wanted to show their support for the non-playing staff then there were far better ways in which they could have shown their support.
Interestingly, the staff continued to work which clearly shows their commitment and loyalty to the business and this is why they were paid as soon as we were legally in a position to be able to do so.

Whilst we have substantially reduced costs and brought in new revenue sources, unfortunately some of the debts and agreements that l inherited have continued to hinder the club and hotel financial progress.
Fortunately, a number of these are shortly coming to an end, in particular the SCC catering agreement whereby they effectively retain nearly 80% of the turnover and we have to pay all the utilities and some of the staff costs from the remaining 20%.
How this was ever agreed, l will never know. Similar comments apply to several player agency consultancies and cleaning contracts, not to forget the absolutely crazy ongoing agreement with Macron and the ridiculous rates that both the club and hotel have been assessed, dating back to when the club was in the Premiership which in all have and continue to cost the businesses several millions of pounds.
I would also question the earlier decisions to sell off of a number of the club's assets including the car parks, offices and training ground as well as taking a substantial loan secured on the hotel just before l became involved and how these funds were utilised.

As l have recently stated, following the protests and vile abuse posted on social media towards me and my family and subsequently in December the police advising me it was not safe to attend matches, like my predecessor the late Eddie Davies, l reluctantly decided enough was enough and stopped funding the businesses apart from the February salaries.
Prior to Christmas however, I attended the majority of the club's home and away matches over the last three seasons.
Accordingly, all payments due now have to be met through the club's own limited cash flow, which is now becoming even more difficult because of the bank accounts being effectively frozen and validation orders having to be obtained.
I do wonder how many of my critics would continue to fund the businesses, if they were advised not to attend the matches or the stadium, hotel and training ground, for fear of their safety, as well as the constant abuse encountered?
In any event, it has been made very clear that l was not wanted at the club, so why would l continue to fund it? No doubt, something similar prompted the decision that the late Eddie Davies also came to in 2015.

As usual, the Supporters Trust and in particular Mr Rigby have recently come out of the woodwork and continue to once again talk up their own importance, but the facts are they have never delivered on any of the things they continue to try to take credit for such as so-called new investors in the waiting, helping to pay salaries etc.
As they say, talk is cheap, put your money where your mouth is and maybe, you would have been given a seat at the table. From what l hear, their own corporate governance begs a lot of questions and leaves a lot to be desired.

There has been a great deal of comment about the failures of the recent takeovers and the reasons for this.

For the record, when push came to shove the buyers simply did not have the cash , despite numerous assurances. As far as l am concerned, it had nothing to do with the creditors being higher than they were toId, or what l was demanding personally, as this is simply not the case.
As l have previously stated, l had agreed to accept a lower amount than l actually paid for my shares from several of the potential buyers and even then they wanted and l agreed to defer some of the payment due to me as did the other secured creditors.
The reality is they were probably hoping it would go into administration and they would then acquire it for substantially less, albeit with a points deduction, but a significant saving on creditors.

I hope the above has given everyone a better understanding of the reality of the club's financial position today, but the most important thing to appreciate is that this club cannot survive, let alone prosper on its current revenue streams in any division outside the Premiership without the benefit of substantial and continued financial support from a wealthy benefactor.
This is clearly the case with virtually every other club in the Championship and maybe that’s why both the late Eddie Davies and l have struggled to find a buyer to take the club forward, as in reality there are not that many wealthy benefactors out there who are prepared to bank roll clubs as has been clearly seen with a number of owners making their clubs available for sale in recent years.

For my part, l have always done the best l am able to do, but obviously that is not good enough or sufficient to please a number of our supporters .

Regards,

Ken

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90Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 17 2019, 14:00

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"For my part, l have always done the best l am able to do, but obviously that is not good enough or sufficient to please a number of our supporters"


I can't imagine anyone is delighted with impending bankruptcy, Ken.


FWIW I don't recall any protests being directed at Eddie Davies, but to paraphrase my pet troll, "obviously you know better Mr Anderson"

91Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 17 2019, 15:36

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wanderlust wrote:I can't imagine anyone is delighted with impending bankruptcy, Ken.

A hour later -

Bolton Wanderers Football Club are delighted to announce that a sale and purchase agreement has been signed which will see Ken Anderson's shareholding in Burnden Leisure Limited being sold to Mr Laurence Bassini.

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"Obviously you know better than Mr Anderson"

:rofl:


92Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 17 2019, 15:38

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Laughing

93Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 17 2019, 15:41

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karlypants wrote:Laughing
Climb out ffs Embarassed

94Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 17 2019, 15:43

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MartinBWFC wrote:
karlypants wrote:Laughing
Climb out ffs Embarassed

::FU:: :biggrin:

95Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 17 2019, 16:14

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MartinBWFC wrote:
karlypants wrote:Laughing
Climb out ffs Embarassed

It's funny Martin.

For three years I've had him almost daily pontificating that he knew that Anderson was asset stripping and going to bankrupt us - and was highly personally abusive with it - not only about Anderson but myself too.

Despite me (and others) pointing out that there were no assets to strip he carried on until it was proved to him beyond a shadow of doubt that he was factually wrong - by a margin of £231m too!

And today - he's still banging on about bankruptcy, yet within an hour of doing so the club is bought and Bassini the new owner saying that ALL creditors will be paid.

 "We are sure supporters will be very pleased to understand that as part of the transaction, all of the existing loans to the club will be settled in full and the associated charges removed, meaning the business will be debt free for the first time in many years." 


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To be fair it as yet to happen but everyone is going along the line that it will.


So if the measure of Anderson's tenure is how he has left us, doesn't it actually seem that he's left us with a new owner making the club free from debt (Anderson had the BM loan hanging over him from day one don't forget), then hasn't he appeared at least to have got us from Eddie Davies to Bassini in one piece despite having no money and so many financial obstacles to overcome?


I'm not being a 'told you so' nor actually believing all is as good as it appears to be but at least let us have a laugh at someone who thinks (probably believes too) that he is smarter than the rest of us, when he clearly has got stuff completely and utterly wrong after telling us otherwise, abusively too, for the last few years.

96Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 17 2019, 16:15

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97Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 17 2019, 16:22

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Sluffy wrote:
MartinBWFC wrote:
karlypants wrote:Laughing
Climb out ffs Embarassed

It's funny Martin.

For three years I've had him almost daily pontificating that he knew that Anderson was asset stripping and going to bankrupt us - and was highly personally abusive with it - not only about Anderson but myself too.

Despite me (and others) pointing out that there were no assets to strip he carried on until it was proved to him beyond a shadow of doubt that he was factually wrong - by a margin of £231m too!

And today - he's still banging on about bankruptcy, yet within an hour of doing so the club is bought and Bassini the new owner saying that ALL creditors will be paid.

 "We are sure supporters will be very pleased to understand that as part of the transaction, all of the existing loans to the club will be settled in full and the associated charges removed, meaning the business will be debt free for the first time in many years." 


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To be fair it as yet to happen but everyone is going along the line that it will.


So if the measure of Anderson's tenure is how he has left us, doesn't it actually seem that he's left us with a new owner making the club free from debt (Anderson had the BM loan hanging over him from day one don't forget), then hasn't he appeared at least to have got us from Eddie Davies to Bassini in one piece despite having no money and so many financial obstacles to overcome?


I'm not being a 'told you so' nor actually believing all is as good as it appears to be but at least let us have a laugh at someone who thinks (probably believes too) that he is smarter than the rest of us, when he clearly has got stuff completely and utterly wrong after telling us otherwise, abusively too, for the last few years.
Jesus Sluffy, if KA shagged your wife you'd probably drive him home afterwards and say thanks  Very Happy

98Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 17 2019, 16:25

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Sluffy wrote:I'm not being a 'told you so' nor actually believing all is as good as it appears to be but at least let us have a laugh at someone who thinks (probably believes too) that he is smarter than the rest of us, when he clearly has got stuff completely and utterly wrong after telling us otherwise, abusively too, for the last few years.
So you've seen the accounts then seeing that's the only possible way you'd know if I got anything wrong? Correction: suspected anything was wrong.

Or are you using the same crystal ball that tells you what I think?

99Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 17 2019, 16:28

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Sluffy wrote:

 "We are sure supporters will be very pleased to understand that as part of the transaction, all of the existing loans to the club will be settled in full and the associated charges removed, meaning the business will be debt free for the first time in many years." 


I expect that to be a load of crap.Love to be proven wrong and the club is debt free in a few weeks.

100Ken Anderson - update. - Page 5 Empty Re: Ken Anderson - update. Wed Apr 17 2019, 16:37

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wanderlust wrote:
Sluffy wrote:I'm not being a 'told you so' nor actually believing all is as good as it appears to be but at least let us have a laugh at someone who thinks (probably believes too) that he is smarter than the rest of us, when he clearly has got stuff completely and utterly wrong after telling us otherwise, abusively too, for the last few years.
So you've seen the accounts then seeing that's the only possible way you'd know if I got anything wrong? Correction: suspected anything was wrong.

Or are you using the same crystal ball that tells you what I think?

Did we have £45m of assets more than debts when Ken took over - NO, we actually had £186 debt more than assets.

Have we been made bankrupt - NO, the clubs been sold with all the loans and associated charges to be removed.

Which statement/s do you not find factual?

Also I'm still waiting for the links to all these "multiple chat forums" you tell me I've been crowing on.

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