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121Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Wed 10 Feb - 12:56

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

Of course, all taken into consideration, the EU are a paragon of virtue and insightfullness, and are not suffering at all.

122Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Wed 10 Feb - 13:13

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Brexit is causing me a few issues with work. Quite a few drugs we rely on are stuck in customs because of Brexit restrictions, not good for my stress levels  Mad

123Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Wed 10 Feb - 14:31

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

gloswhite wrote:Of course, all taken into consideration, the EU are a paragon of virtue and insightfullness, and are not suffering at all.

Can you give us some examples of how the EU are suffering? I would be very surprised if it was anything like the amount the UK is suffering thanks to brexit.

124Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Wed 10 Feb - 16:10

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

What? you mean like the potential for orders for German cars falling away. all those poor people who won't be getting their oysters and suchlike. Don't forget that there was always a deficit for the UK when trading with the EU. It hasn't just affected us, and the EU won't be putting an arm around all the small businesses that are suffering because of the slowdown in everything. Both sides are affected, as I said, its just that some don't look further than our own shores.

125Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Wed 10 Feb - 16:54

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

gloswhite wrote:What? you mean like the potential for orders for German cars falling away. all those poor people who won't be getting their oysters and suchlike. Don't forget that there was always a deficit for the UK when trading with the EU. It hasn't just affected us, and the EU won't be putting an arm around all the small businesses that are suffering because of the slowdown in everything. Both sides are affected, as I said, its just that some don't look further than our own shores.
I don't see how any problems the EU may be having helps us in any way. Fact is that our economy is suffering and as Brexiteers continually point out, we are no longer in the EU so who gives a monkey's about what's happening there?

It's like saying it's OK to get battered if the other guy gets battered too. No it's not - you still get battered.

126Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Wed 10 Feb - 17:37

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

gloswhite wrote:What? you mean like the potential for orders for German cars falling away. all those poor people who won't be getting their oysters and suchlike. Don't forget that there was always a deficit for the UK when trading with the EU. It hasn't just affected us, and the EU won't be putting an arm around all the small businesses that are suffering because of the slowdown in everything. Both sides are affected, as I said, its just that some don't look further than our own shores.

You need to put that deficit in perspective glos.

The UK exports to other EU countries were worth around 13% of the value of our economy, whereas for the EU it’s only 3-4%.

127Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Thu 11 Feb - 10:46

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

wanderlust wrote:
I don't see how any problems the EU may be having helps us in any way. Fact is that our economy is suffering and as Brexiteers continually point out, we are no longer in the EU so who gives a monkey's about what's happening there?

It's like saying it's OK to get battered if the other guy gets battered too. No it's not - you still get battered.
They do need to get battered, otherwise they wil continue to batter (us), and we have no bargaining power. Very basic thinking I know, but unfortunately, its true. Of course, the battering can take many forms.

128Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Thu 11 Feb - 10:50

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

xmiles wrote:

You need to put that deficit in perspective glos.

The UK exports to other EU countries were worth around 13% of the value of our economy, whereas for the EU it’s only 3-4%.
I think you need to list the value of the trade, not percentages, after all, 1 economy v 27, of course there will be a marked difference.

129Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Thu 11 Feb - 11:52

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

gloswhite wrote:
I think you need to list the value of the trade, not percentages, after all, 1 economy v 27, of course there will be a marked difference.

It is still 13% of our economy being jeopardised and as you yourself say "we have no bargaining power".

I know you voted for brexit but did you realise how bad it was going to be and do you still think it was a good idea?



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130Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Thu 11 Feb - 14:41

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

gloswhite wrote:
They do need to get battered, otherwise they wil continue to batter (us), and we have no bargaining power. Very basic thinking I know, but unfortunately, its true. Of course, the battering can take many forms.
"They will continue to batter us"
Really?
So are you saying the decline in our economy since we left the EU is the fault of the ...erm... EU?

They didn't vote for mountains of red tape - we did.
They didn't vote for border checks - we did.
They didn't vote for supply chain disruption - we did.
They didn't vote to make it uneconomical to trade in certain products - we did.
They didn't vote to make it necessary to move £trillions of business from London to Frankfurt on January 1st - we did.

Struggling to see how the EU has any responsibility whatsoever for our suicidal decision.

131Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Thu 11 Feb - 22:26

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

xmiles wrote:

It is still 13% of our economy being jeopardised and as you yourself say "we have no bargaining power".

I know you voted for brexit but did you realise how bad it was going to be and do you still think it was a good idea?
In fairness XM, I didn't expect this mayhem, but there again, I doubt anyone did really. Nor did I expect the EU to renege on clause 16 so soon, and then be petty over our seafood.

132Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Fri 12 Feb - 9:46

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

gloswhite wrote:
In fairness XM, I didn't expect this mayhem, but there again, I doubt anyone did really. Nor did I expect the EU to renege on clause 16 so soon, and then be petty over our seafood.
Didn’t “project fear” spell it out clearly enough?

Oh yeah - they were “experts” so their opinion didn’t count.

Ironic then that the government has done little other than wheel on “expert” after “expert” to justify their handling of Covid wouldn’t you agree?

133Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Fri 12 Feb - 11:46

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Already after just 6 weeks we've been told that fishermen feel betrayed, exporters can't export, Amsterdam has taken over from London as the biggest trading centre for shares, and musicians can no longer tour abroad. Oh, and the arrangements for Northern Ireland don't work.

Who still thinks it was Project Fear?

134Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Fri 12 Feb - 11:47

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

okocha wrote:Already after just 6 weeks we've been told that fishermen feel betrayed, exporters can't export, Amsterdam has taken over from London as the biggest trading centre for shares, and musicians can no longer tour abroad. Oh, and the arrangements for Northern Ireland don't work.

Who still thinks it was Project Fear?
It's fine though as we can all get a blue passport now, well worth all the hassle  Rolling Eyes

135Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Fri 12 Feb - 11:58

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

I see the rhetoric is building. I also see no point in responding at times, even though you all make valid points. I know that as soon as I do, there will be an avalanche of abuse, (not to me as an individual), and pointless comments. I understand your frustration, and believe it or not, I agree with most of it. however, its depressing to come on here and go over the same things over and over. I, personally, can do without all the mud slinging, and wait to see how things develop, and in my ever optimistic life style, look for ways out of this mire, rather than depress everyone, and so making the task twice as hard.

136Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Fri 12 Feb - 12:03

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

No one is getting at you personally Glos but people are genuinely worried about the effect it's having on us. As i mentioned before in my job we are now having issues getting hold of certain drugs due to brexit/customs issues or delays.

I voted to remain as although the EU is far from perfect (look at how they've handled covid vaccines as a prime example) i thought it was still better to be part of it than not.

137Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Fri 12 Feb - 12:17

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

The thing is Mr Pig, I agree with the vast majority of what is said, but I can't help but think were pissing in the wind with all this depressive talk. There have been some beneficial changes, not many I know,  that are not mentioned, or if they are, its usually in a negative manner. Its bloody depressing, and for what? They're all banging their drum about how bad things are, and were all doomed, I'm just sick of it.
Which brings me to the point about the medicines, I've cut my daily intake down from 15 to 11 and insulin jabs remain the same. I'll send you a list of what I'm still on, so that you can ensure you get them in for me  Very Happy
During this depressing posting on here, I've had two rays of sunlight. My heart specialist says he doesn't need to see me any more, (3 years treatment), and my oncologist rang me yesterday and said that my bloods were perfect, and he doesn't want to see me anymore either, after 10 years treatment, (only when i call them). WooHoo  cheers

138Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Fri 12 Feb - 12:20

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

gloswhite wrote:I see the rhetoric is building. I also see no point in responding at times, even though you all make valid points. I know that as soon as I do, there will be an avalanche of abuse, (not to me as an individual), and pointless comments. I understand your frustration, and believe it or not, I agree with most of it. however, its depressing to come on here and go over the same things over and over. I, personally, can do without all the mud slinging, and wait to see how things develop, and in my ever optimistic life style, look for ways out of this mire, rather than depress everyone, and so making the task twice as hard.
Absolutely not personal Glos - it’s the government spin on Brexit and their own performance that flies in the face of what’s happening on the ground.
We all need cheering up so at last some good news...🥳


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139Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Fri 12 Feb - 12:22

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson

Wander, I no longer seem to get your images anymore, just a string of cypher.

140Brexit Watch - Page 7 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Fri 12 Feb - 12:23

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

Norpig wrote:No one is getting at you personally Glos but people are genuinely worried about the effect it's having on us. As i mentioned before in my job we are now having issues getting hold of certain drugs due to brexit/customs issues or delays.

I voted to remain as although the EU is far from perfect (look at how they've handled covid vaccines as a prime example) i thought it was still better to be part of it than not.

I agree Norpig. The EU is far from perfect but brexit is far worse.

Glos you and I disagree about brexit but I don't think I (or anybody else) has been personally abusive. I have been trying not to post every bit of bad news about brexit because there is an unrelenting stream of it and it is depressing. Voters were warned but chose to believe the lies of the brexiteers and now we are all having to live with the consequences.

Nevertheless brexit fans should feel free to alert us to all the benefits of brexit if any ever appear. Smile

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