Ten Bobsworth wrote:Lets treat this as a diplomatic move on your part, Sluffy, but there are connections between BWFC and tax avoidance through former players, three former managers and the present Assistant Manager.
The film schemes involved are generally regarded as being at the more aggressive end of the tax avoidance spectrum and some of those who chose to go down this road got their fingers well and truly burned. Gary Megson, Owen Coyle and Phil Parkinson may all have had their detractors but they, at least, were not amongst those intent on personal gain at the expense of the Exchequer and therefore health, education and security.
Dale Vince's avoidance takes a different path but the sums involved are very substantial. This, of course, is the man who threatened to liquidate BWFC and played a big part in what many described as 'dragging the club's name through the mud'. Some may think that unimportant, I don't.
You may remember, Sluffy, me suggesting that you took a look at the balance sheet of the Ecotricity Group. If you had done so, you might have noticed that its reported reserves consisted almost entirely of an upward revaluation of assets in 2013 when the group was reporting profits.
But for the last three years its reported nothing but losses and big ones at that whilst DV appears to have continued his previous practice of drawing out millions in interest free loans whilst others are tasked with signing off the balance sheets.
Dale Vince is, of course, known as a big donor to the Labour Party and therefore unlikely to get much sympathy from the present government. But I think its almost certainly the reason that he does not get the criticism he deserves on here and on WW and the reason for the mindless comments of nitwits.
Yes it was completely a diplomatic move on my part to attempt to stop the unnecessary and unwarranted personal abuse. People may not like you posting what you do but they have no right whatsoever to express their views in such a manner.
As you say there is a link to some of the good and great Bolton Wanderers players and managers/coaching staff but I think you will agree the tax avoidance scheme in question was not specifically designed for them nor indeed were they majority participants in it.
I had no issue that the thread was originally posted in the BWFC part of the board and still hadn't until the unwarranted abuse - hence why I simply moved it, being the lesser of two evils.
As for Vince I don't recall him being the 'darling' of the Nuts posters at the time (nor since) but just another stick to beat Anderson with.
I have personally pointed out since on here (maybe even Wways as well - I can't recall) that Vince behaviour was completely at odds with that of Norwich (in respect of Remi Matthews) who were in exactly the same position at the time - and which was sorted out amicably to both sides satisfaction merely days later.
It did seem that Dale was on a mission (no one ever explained his links to the ST and his donation to them???) and in the end Vince lost out by £750k difference in transfer fees from the £1m we would have had to pay compared to the £250k he eventually sold him for.
My recollection was that Vince never actually threatened to liquidate us and that his threat was to put us into Administration if we didn't pay the £1m on demand and that it was KA who countered his bluff by saying he was a secured creditor and he wouldn't lose out if Vince pushed for Administration and that led to liquidation of the club.
In retrospect now, that was clearly either wishful thinking or a bluff from KA as it turned out that KA was not a secured creditor for as much as he thought/believed(?) he was.
As a man who clearly knows how to 'play' the business world and has clearly demonstrated this ability as such, my money his on him knowing he probably wasn't as 'secured' as he made out to Vince and simply out bluffed him.
Whatever the case it is water under the bridge and most of us, including myself have moved on from him.
I don't have any doubt that Vince has taken far more money out of his business in questionable ways than anything like the masses claimed Anderson was doing (or even did - he's still not be charged or sanctioned with anything, even though the books have long since been gone through by an agent of the court).
I can see and have sympathy for your view of Vince but it certainly isn't reciprocated by most on here mainly because he's no longer of relevance to us anymore.
You have every right to continue to highlight Vince in the same way Bonce features slippers for instance so I personally find it a bit rich that one subject is treated as a joke whilst the other elicits abuse.
I'll let people decide which one is which!
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