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341Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 16:15

Sluffy

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karlypants wrote:I wouldn't blame Norpig if he was on the frontline and did a runner to protect his family.

It must be worrying for those who are on the frontline from what can be seen from the situation in Italy.

That's the point though, very few if any put themselves before the sick.

Thank God they do.

Whilst they are saving lives you get the pig ignorant, selfish bastards panic buying and plundering the supermarkets for toilet rolls, hand sanitisers, etc and fuck everyone else!

Hope they all get piles!

Karma.

342Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 16:18

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

'Hope they all get piles'.

Don't know why I find that so funny Sluffy, but it's set me off on a fit of the giggles. I'll have to make a brew.

343Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 16:33

wanderlust

wanderlust
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Sluffy wrote:
wanderlust wrote:Finally after the scientific community rounded on the Government's coronavirus strategy and their lack of honesty about it, the virus modelling from Imperial College that the Government is using has been published - and it predicts 250,000+ deaths* in the UK - so now it's out there and the scientific community critical of the the Government has got it's wish.

Meanwhile on the business front it's become clear that only days after Sunak's budget, his proposed measures of £12 billion support for businesses is looking completely inadequate - especially when compared to Macron's pledge that "no French business will be allowed to fail - even if it takes hundreds of billions" (which it probably will IMO)

Moreover, the whole Government strategy has been amended as they have realised the key problem with the old one - that there is no exit strategy (as I tried to explain to my troll the other day) - starting with yesterday's announcement from Boris. New, more realistic financial measures to keep businesses afloat expected soon.

I'll stop short of saying our Government lies to us, but it has to be noted that their "experts" have been very selective in the information they have released to date and partisan in their interpretation of the modelling.

* see p16 of the report. Note also that this figure assumes "even if everyone could be treated"
US deaths expected to exceed 1.1 million.

Cranky
/ˈkraŋki/

adjective
adjective: cranky; comparative adjective: crankier; superlative adjective: crankiest

informal•British
Eccentric or strange.

Why do you always believe there is a conspiracy when the real truth is as simple as this -

"In the last 24 hours, Downing Street's instructions to the public to protect everyone's health changed at breakneck speed as new scientific data emerged".

Data was already there and has been for weeks as it came from China via Imperial. It emerging was new - although they did update it yesterday before release.

And I was telling you days ago that the Government's strategy was flawed, but to their credit they have changed tack now - even though it took the cat crawling out of the bag for them to do it.

So to paraphrase you, hopefully you will finally accept the view that I originally put forward and retract your insults - or do you think you know better than the Government's own "experts" ?

Smile

344Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 16:37

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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boltonbonce wrote:'Hope they all get piles'.

Don't know why I find that so funny Sluffy, but it's set me off on a fit of the giggles. I'll have to make a brew.
It's no joke. I bought the last two packets of Anusol suppositories this morning.

345Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 16:43

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

wanderlust wrote:
boltonbonce wrote:'Hope they all get piles'.

Don't know why I find that so funny Sluffy, but it's set me off on a fit of the giggles. I'll have to make a brew.
It's no joke. I bought the last two packets of Anusol suppositories this morning.
If Sluffy gets his wish there's going to be more trouble then? Punch ups in Boots over pile suppositories will be a degrading spectacle. Shocked

346Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 16:51

Sluffy

Sluffy
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wanderlust wrote:
Sluffy wrote:
wanderlust wrote:Finally after the scientific community rounded on the Government's coronavirus strategy and their lack of honesty about it, the virus modelling from Imperial College that the Government is using has been published - and it predicts 250,000+ deaths* in the UK - so now it's out there and the scientific community critical of the the Government has got it's wish.

Meanwhile on the business front it's become clear that only days after Sunak's budget, his proposed measures of £12 billion support for businesses is looking completely inadequate - especially when compared to Macron's pledge that "no French business will be allowed to fail - even if it takes hundreds of billions" (which it probably will IMO)

Moreover, the whole Government strategy has been amended as they have realised the key problem with the old one - that there is no exit strategy (as I tried to explain to my troll the other day) - starting with yesterday's announcement from Boris. New, more realistic financial measures to keep businesses afloat expected soon.

I'll stop short of saying our Government lies to us, but it has to be noted that their "experts" have been very selective in the information they have released to date and partisan in their interpretation of the modelling.

* see p16 of the report. Note also that this figure assumes "even if everyone could be treated"
US deaths expected to exceed 1.1 million.

Cranky
/ˈkraŋki/

adjective
adjective: cranky; comparative adjective: crankier; superlative adjective: crankiest

informal•British
Eccentric or strange.

Why do you always believe there is a conspiracy when the real truth is as simple as this -

"In the last 24 hours, Downing Street's instructions to the public to protect everyone's health changed at breakneck speed as new scientific data emerged".

Data was already there and has been for weeks as it came from China via Imperial. It emerging was new - although they did update it yesterday before release.

And I was telling you days ago that the Government's strategy was flawed, but to their credit they have changed tack now - even though it took the cat crawling out of the bag for them to do it.

So to paraphrase you, hopefully you will finally accept the view that I originally put forward and retract your insults - or do you think you know better than the Government's own "experts" ?

Smile

Wrong.

The MODEL was there, the actual DATA is new.

Don't you know the difference between the two - apparently not?

It's not a hard concept to understand.

Putting the actual DATA from the last few days into the MODEL has resulted in moving much more quickly into the next stage in fighting this than was predicted.

Do you get it now?

I certainly don't know better than the Government's experts, or any other proven expert come to that - clearly you do.

You know better than anyone apparently about everything.

Or at least you think you do.

Would not surprise me at all if you were an expert on piles too, considering all the shite that come out of your hole!

Very Happy

347Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 16:53

Sluffy

Sluffy
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EDIT - just seen your post, seems you are!

Quelle surprise.

348Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 16:58

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Piles is no laughing matter. Or so a friend tells me.

349Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 17:06

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Sluffy wrote:
wanderlust wrote:
Sluffy wrote:
wanderlust wrote:Finally after the scientific community rounded on the Government's coronavirus strategy and their lack of honesty about it, the virus modelling from Imperial College that the Government is using has been published - and it predicts 250,000+ deaths* in the UK - so now it's out there and the scientific community critical of the the Government has got it's wish.

Meanwhile on the business front it's become clear that only days after Sunak's budget, his proposed measures of £12 billion support for businesses is looking completely inadequate - especially when compared to Macron's pledge that "no French business will be allowed to fail - even if it takes hundreds of billions" (which it probably will IMO)

Moreover, the whole Government strategy has been amended as they have realised the key problem with the old one - that there is no exit strategy (as I tried to explain to my troll the other day) - starting with yesterday's announcement from Boris. New, more realistic financial measures to keep businesses afloat expected soon.

I'll stop short of saying our Government lies to us, but it has to be noted that their "experts" have been very selective in the information they have released to date and partisan in their interpretation of the modelling.

* see p16 of the report. Note also that this figure assumes "even if everyone could be treated"
US deaths expected to exceed 1.1 million.

Cranky
/ˈkraŋki/

adjective
adjective: cranky; comparative adjective: crankier; superlative adjective: crankiest

informal•British
Eccentric or strange.

Why do you always believe there is a conspiracy when the real truth is as simple as this -

"In the last 24 hours, Downing Street's instructions to the public to protect everyone's health changed at breakneck speed as new scientific data emerged".

Data was already there and has been for weeks as it came from China via Imperial. It emerging was new - although they did update it yesterday before release.

And I was telling you days ago that the Government's strategy was flawed, but to their credit they have changed tack now - even though it took the cat crawling out of the bag for them to do it.

So to paraphrase you, hopefully you will finally accept the view that I originally put forward and retract your insults - or do you think you know better than the Government's own "experts" ?

Smile

Wrong.

The MODEL was there, the actual DATA is new.

Don't you know the difference between the two - apparently not?

It's not a hard concept to understand.

Putting the actual DATA from the last few days into the MODEL has resulted in moving much more quickly into the next stage in fighting this than was predicted.

Do you get it now?

I certainly don't know better than the Government's experts, or any other proven expert come to that - clearly you do.

You know better than anyone apparently about everything.

Or at least you think you do.

Would not surprise me at all if you were an expert on piles too, considering all the shite that come out of your hole!

Very Happy
No you're wrong. The data has been around since January and it was on that basis that the WHO declared the emergency. Obviously it has been added to.

Are you suggesting a) that the Government created their first strategy using data modelling without data? or b) that the small amount of data collected since Friday completely changed the whole picture when added to the huge amount of data collected over the last couple of months that was already in existence? If the latter you're an idiot because it clearly shows you don't understand data modelling - and you don't read things properly the report says that "this realisation has happened only in the past few days" i.e. they've only just cottoned on to what it really means.

Come on Sluffy...man up, accept that you are and were wrong, withdraw your incessant stream of insults and apologise for being a twat.
Actually, don't bother with the last one because it's not necessarily your fault.

350Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 17:15

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

wanderlust wrote:
Meanwhile on the business front it's become clear that only days after Sunak's budget, his proposed measures of £12 billion support for businesses is looking completely inadequate - especially when compared to Macron's pledge that "no French business will be allowed to fail - even if it takes hundreds of billions" (which it probably will IMO)
New, more realistic financial measures to keep businesses afloat expected soon.
Sunak on telly now telling us what a great job he and the Government are doing.

As expected, he's upped his £12 billion - to £330 billion! Slight miscalculation first time around Rishi?

:rofl:

Ah the details....

It's a LOAN not a grant.

Business rates holiday for leisure industry.
Small grants totalling £20 billion to micro businesses.
OK it's a start.

351Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 17:31

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

That was funny. Kuennsberg asked Chris Witless if he regretted not taking this action earlier and he went beetroot red when delivering the party line of "the right thing at the right time". He effing well should be embarrassed as thousands of people will have been infected unnecessarily because of him.
As for the money, if they were planning to do this all along, why the daft budget and why aren't the schemes already in place?

Plenty of squirming, but no admission they got it completely wrong.

352Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 18:42

Sluffy

Sluffy
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wanderlust wrote:
Sluffy wrote:
wanderlust wrote:
Sluffy wrote:
wanderlust wrote:Finally after the scientific community rounded on the Government's coronavirus strategy and their lack of honesty about it, the virus modelling from Imperial College that the Government is using has been published - and it predicts 250,000+ deaths* in the UK - so now it's out there and the scientific community critical of the the Government has got it's wish.

Meanwhile on the business front it's become clear that only days after Sunak's budget, his proposed measures of £12 billion support for businesses is looking completely inadequate - especially when compared to Macron's pledge that "no French business will be allowed to fail - even if it takes hundreds of billions" (which it probably will IMO)

Moreover, the whole Government strategy has been amended as they have realised the key problem with the old one - that there is no exit strategy (as I tried to explain to my troll the other day) - starting with yesterday's announcement from Boris. New, more realistic financial measures to keep businesses afloat expected soon.

I'll stop short of saying our Government lies to us, but it has to be noted that their "experts" have been very selective in the information they have released to date and partisan in their interpretation of the modelling.

* see p16 of the report. Note also that this figure assumes "even if everyone could be treated"
US deaths expected to exceed 1.1 million.

Cranky
/ˈkraŋki/

adjective
adjective: cranky; comparative adjective: crankier; superlative adjective: crankiest

informal•British
Eccentric or strange.

Why do you always believe there is a conspiracy when the real truth is as simple as this -

"In the last 24 hours, Downing Street's instructions to the public to protect everyone's health changed at breakneck speed as new scientific data emerged".

Data was already there and has been for weeks as it came from China via Imperial. It emerging was new - although they did update it yesterday before release.

And I was telling you days ago that the Government's strategy was flawed, but to their credit they have changed tack now - even though it took the cat crawling out of the bag for them to do it.

So to paraphrase you, hopefully you will finally accept the view that I originally put forward and retract your insults - or do you think you know better than the Government's own "experts" ?

Smile

Wrong.

The MODEL was there, the actual DATA is new.

Don't you know the difference between the two - apparently not?

It's not a hard concept to understand.

Putting the actual DATA from the last few days into the MODEL has resulted in moving much more quickly into the next stage in fighting this than was predicted.

Do you get it now?

I certainly don't know better than the Government's experts, or any other proven expert come to that - clearly you do.

You know better than anyone apparently about everything.

Or at least you think you do.

Would not surprise me at all if you were an expert on piles too, considering all the shite that come out of your hole!

Very Happy
No you're wrong. The data has been around since January and it was on that basis that the WHO declared the emergency. Obviously it has been added to.

Are you suggesting a) that the Government created their first strategy using data modelling without data? or b) that the small amount of data collected since Friday completely changed the whole picture when added to the huge amount of data collected over the last couple of months that was already in existence? If the latter you're an idiot because it clearly shows you don't understand data modelling - and you don't read things properly the report says that "this realisation has happened only in the past few days" i.e. they've only just cottoned on to what it really means.

Come on Sluffy...man up, accept that you are and were wrong, withdraw your incessant stream of insults and apologise for being a twat.
Actually, don't bother with the last one because it's not necessarily your fault.

wanderlust wrote:That was funny. Kuennsberg asked Chris Witless if he regretted not taking this action earlier and he went beetroot red when delivering the party line of "the right thing at the right time". He effing well should be embarrassed as thousands of people will have been infected unnecessarily because of him.

Plenty of squirming, but no admission they got it completely wrong.

It's not difficult, I can only assume you are deliberately missing the point on purpose because you NEVER admit to be wrong.

You create a model and put in various details to PREDICT what you expect will happen in the future.

No one knows exactly how good the model is until you get ACTUAL 'data' and compare what has really happened against prediction - and refine the model accordingly to become more accurate in its predictions for the future.

It seems the ACTUAL data is higher than that PREDICTED for the point we are on, on the upward curve of the virus in this country and thus why we've simply moved on to the next stage on the model.

Seems the model got the predictions wrong in respect of Italy and consequently us and it was the refining of the model plus the input of ACTUAL data that led to the Governments new measures.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Tbh I find your behaviour on this thread totally repugnant.  

As you are fully aware there's regular posters on Nuts who are in the highest risk category or have loved ones in it yet all you are clearly concerned about is about scoring points off both the Conservative government and myself and making out how clever you are (about fecking everything) and how dumb the rest of us are, whilst you clearly can't admit to being the least bit wrong - about anything - not just this.

This isn't about your fragile ego.

It's about real people, love ones, dying.



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353Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 19:28

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Sluffy wrote:
Norpig wrote:I may have to work from home at some stage so they are sorting out how they will get the bedpans to my house  Very Happy

Fair play to you mate because as far as I know you are the only one of us from Nuts, on the frontline combating this thing and you and all the rest of your colleagues all around the world have our respect and thanks.

Hers a virtual round of applause from me!

:clap:

(Well ok, from what you have told us I know you aren't at the sharp end of things but you are part of a team that most definitely are).

We might have had our differences in the past and probably will do in the future but that's about nothing more than over a game of footy (and in particular the finance behind it) and also who your mates are on a random footy forum but in real life we'd be in a real mess without you and all the rest of your colleagues, now more than ever.

Real life comes first every time.

Cheers Sluffy it's much appreciated  Very Happy

I work in pharmacy procurement which has been in turmoil already due to the many shortages over the last 18 months. 
It's only going to get worse with coronavirus stopping medicines from coming in from abroad and the increase in stock we'll need to keep to keep theatres and critical care areas running properly. 
Mrs Pig works in the Pharmacy as well so we will have issues if and when the schools close or we have to self isolate. They are already asking staff about working outside of usual hours and more at weekends but it will be tricky for us as one of us will have to be at home for the kids.

354Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 19:32

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

My 90 year old mum, as I mentioned last week, had a fall, and although they said at the hospital she only had underlying tissue damage, or bruising, a call from them yesterday informed me that, after reviewing her X-rays, there was a very slight crack in her humorus.
They said they'd normally see her at the fracture clinic, but, due to her age, and the coronavirus, they were happy for her to rest at home, although she'd be in pain for a couple of weeks.
She's having to sleep in a chair because lying on her back is still too painful at the moment, but she's taking it all in great good humour.
These are difficult times, and we're having to learn on the job with regard to getting through it. It's rather like doing a crossword puzzle on a trampoline.
Hang in there men. And ladies of course.

355Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 20:05

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

boltonbonce wrote:"My 90 year old mum (suffered) a crack in her humorus........
 but she's taking it all in great good humour......"
 What a woman, Bonce!

356Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 20:07

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

boltonbonce wrote:My 90 year old mum, as I mentioned last week, had a fall, and although they said at the hospital she only had underlying tissue damage, or bruising, a call from them yesterday informed me that, after reviewing her X-rays, there was a very slight crack in her humorus.
They said they'd normally see her at the fracture clinic, but, due to her age, and the coronavirus, they were happy for her to rest at home, although she'd be in pain for a couple of weeks.
She's having to sleep in a chair because lying on her back is still too painful at the moment, but she's taking it all in great good humour.
These are difficult times, and we're having to learn on the job with regard to getting through it. It's rather like doing a crossword puzzle on a trampoline.
Hang in there men. And ladies of course.
Where are the ladies?

357Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 20:20

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

They're hiding. We know they're there. Cool

358Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 21:00

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

359Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 21:46

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse


I would rather wipe my arse with my hand at that price! Shocked

360Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 18 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Mar 17 2020, 21:51

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Sluffy wrote:
karlypants wrote:I wouldn't blame Norpig if he was on the frontline and did a runner to protect his family.

It must be worrying for those who are on the frontline from what can be seen from the situation in Italy.

That's the point though, very few if any put themselves before the sick.

Thank God they do.

Whilst they are saving lives you get the pig ignorant, selfish bastards panic buying and plundering the supermarkets for toilet rolls, hand sanitisers, etc and fuck everyone else!

Hope they all get piles!

Karma.

I completely agree Sluffy. The problem is that once someone starts panic buying and word gets around then most folk end up doing the same and its the fear of having nothing thats does it.

Whilst it is wrong, I can't blame them as in a way because it is every man for themself.

It makes it worse because of the virus that everyone wants to bulk buy so they don't have to go to the supermarket as often if at all.

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