How is the Tory government doing?

Let’s hope whatever it takes Lusty that Nazanin is reunited with her family after so long. Clearly before her passport was returned, a major obstacle must have been removed. There seem to be moves to reinstate, for better or worse, the Iranian Nuclear deal, so if that we’re the case many of the current sanctions would be relaxed or removed. Either way, I think politics has to take a back seat here in favour of humanitarian concerns that the family is at last reunited.

Whitesince63 wrote:Let’s hope whatever it takes Lusty that Nazanin is reunited with her family after so long. Clearly before her passport was returned, a major obstacle must have been removed. There seem to be moves to reinstate, for better or worse, the Iranian Nuclear deal, so if that we’re the case many of the current sanctions would be relaxed or removed. Either way, I think politics has to take a back seat here in favour of humanitarian concerns that the family is at last reunited.

It is nice to think that way 63 but power and politics always comes first.

Clearly the war in Ukraine and the wests need to reduce reliance on Russia's oil and gas have prompted the need to look differently at country's who can help solve that but who had up to now been in 'our' 'bad books'.

The US has already done an oil deal with Venezuela who they had been sanctioning and Johnson is currently in Saudi.

He's there trying to sweet talk them because the Saudi's have apparently been moving away from the US because they won't give MBS amnesty over the Khashoggi murder.

The UAE seems to have been swayed to support an increase oil production though.

Clearly if the west can get Iran to tow the line (agreeable to all!) it can lift sanctions on its oil and clearly something along those lines have already happened (or as a signal of good intent from Iran) and that's why the woman has been freed.

That unfortunately is how it all works.

We cannot rely on a brutal dictatorship for our energy supplies, so I am off to find a different brutal dictatorship to rely on.....

Look what prioritising power brings.....

Whitesince63 wrote:Let’s hope whatever it takes Lusty that Nazanin is reunited with her family after so long.

I wonder how much destruction and terror the £400 million handed over by the Tories will fund?
Should keep ISIS going for a few years and get them some fancy weapons in the process whilst Hamas might get some proper kit to bomb Jerusalem with.
Still as long as they spend it on British manufactured weaponry as was originally intended it'll be worth it eh?

Whitesince63 wrote:Let’s hope whatever it takes Lusty that Nazanin is reunited with her family after so long. Clearly before her passport was returned, a major obstacle must have been removed. There seem to be moves to reinstate, for better or worse, the Iranian Nuclear deal, so if that we’re the case many of the current sanctions would be relaxed or removed. Either way, I think politics has to take a back seat here in favour of humanitarian concerns that the family is at last reunited.

Let's not forget that Johnson made Nazanin's plight much worse and her sentence much longer by stating that she was in Iran to train journalists. The man is a liability with no diplomatic skills, an embarrassment on the world stage.

wanderlust wrote:

Whitesince63 wrote:Let’s hope whatever it takes Lusty that Nazanin is reunited with her family after so long.

I wonder how much destruction and terror the £400 million handed over by the Tories will fund?
Should keep ISIS going for a few years and get them some fancy weapons in the process whilst Hamas might get some proper kit to bomb Jerusalem with.
Still as long as they spend it on British manufactured weaponry as was originally intended it'll be worth it eh?

Christ you certainly don't let facts get in the way of your Tory hatred do you?

1 - The UK OWED the money to Iran as it paid in advance for tanks that in the end we did not delver.

The case went to the international court who rules on these matters and they ruled that Iran was in the right to demand their money back!

See fully story here -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-56376852

2 - Iran is a Shia country and the IS is a Sonny organisation and they fought each other!!!

In 2014, the jihadists went on the offensive, seizing broad swathes of Iraq, including Mosul, the country's second city.

The leading Shia cleric in Iraq, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, issued a call-to-arms to fight the Sunni extremists.

Young Shia men volunteered in their thousands - and Soleimani and his Quds Force were a big part of their transformation into armed units. The militias were ruthless, often brutal foes of IS.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27834462

So why would Iran be giving any money to ISIS???


You're just obsessed with hatred with whatever the Tory party does - and just make up lies to back up what you say.

You need to move on with your life mate and let go of whatever it is that you hate them over which seems to date back to Thatchers time over 30 years ago!!!

Sluffy wrote:

Christ you certainly don't let facts get in the way of your Tory hatred do you?

1 - The UK OWED the money to Iran as it paid in advance for tanks that in the end we did not delver.

The case went to the international court who rules on these matters and they ruled that Iran was in the right to demand their money back!

See fully story here -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-56376852

2 - Iran is a Shia country and the IS is a Sonny organisation and they fought each other!!!

In 2014, the jihadists went on the offensive, seizing broad swathes of Iraq, including Mosul, the country's second city.

The leading Shia cleric in Iraq, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, issued a call-to-arms to fight the Sunni extremists.

Young Shia men volunteered in their thousands - and Soleimani and his Quds Force were a big part of their transformation into armed units. The militias were ruthless, often brutal foes of IS.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27834462

So why would Iran be giving any money to ISIS???


You're just obsessed with hatred with whatever the Tory party does - and just make up lies to back up what you say.

You need to move on with your life mate and let go of whatever it is that you hate them over which seems to date back to Thatchers time over 30 years ago!!!

There is a very good reason why successive governments of both parties didn't return this money to Iran which I have alluded to in my comments.

How you can attempt to justify this bunch of idiots handing the world's leading sponsors of terrorism £400 million just to get good press in the UK is beyond me.

The poor woman was a pawn in the game - but you have to have the balls to sacrifice pawns rather than give in to terrorist blackmailers and this government hasn't got any.

#terroristfinancingsurrendermonkeys

wanderlust wrote:There is a very good reason why successive governments of both parties didn't return this money to Iran which I have alluded to in my comments.

How you can attempt to justify this bunch of idiots handing the world's leading sponsors of terrorism £400 million just to get good press in the UK is beyond me.

The poor woman was a pawn in the game - but you have to have the balls to sacrifice pawns rather than give in to terrorist blackmailers and this government hasn't got any.

#terroristfinancingsurrendermonkeys

Eh???

Did you bother reading the link I supplied giving the facts of the matter, clearly you didn't!

You can allude to whatever you like in your comments but if it isn't factual, which it wasn't, it doesn't amount to much other than what you think is the case.

And I've not justified anything you barmpot, I've merely given you the facts to read!

Hardly my fault if they contradict your twisted views.

And you as always miss the main point, this has nothing to do about 'good press' in the UK and all about the west manoeuvring to get more oil production to wean us off Europe's dependency on Russian oil as quickly as possible...

Iran's economy has been suffering, Iran clearly wants to agree a new deal, better relations with the UK might make that happen.
The deal has still not been agreed but diplomats say agreement is getting close.
And in recent weeks, during the Ukraine conflict, Britain and Iran's interests have also come closer together.
If sanctions can be lifted and Iran can start selling its oil again, that could help reduce global energy prices.
That is in the interests of both the UK and Iran. In that context, both sides might want to clear the diplomatic decks and make a deal more likely.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60768437

You're just warped in your hatred of the Tory Party and believe everything they do is wrong.

As for you putting hashtags in your posts on here...

And if you don't want to believe me then maybe you might believe this...

Ros Atkins On... Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe and the Iran debt

Sluffy wrote:And if you don't want to believe me then maybe you might believe this...

Ros Atkins On... Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe and the Iran debt

That's exactly the point I was making. She was a pawn that was being used to extract a payment that is likely to be used to sponsor international terrorism.
OK I incorrectly used ISIS as an example when I meant Al Quaeda, but you jumped on that to have a rant about other stuff so cut me some slack.
After all, you spell like a 9 year old but since you told me it was due to a medical condition I've had the courtesy not to take the piss so perhaps next time I pluck a bad example out of the ether you'd see past it to the point I was making instead of trying to build a mountain out of a molehill?

Point remains though - successive governments of all parties over 50 years have avoided handing over the money for good reason, but this lot have paid up to save a few unfortunate people and get good press coverage - with no regard for the tens of thousands of people that will die at the hand of the bombers and shooters that will benefit from our money.

wanderlust wrote:That's exactly the point I was making. She was a pawn that was being used to extract a payment that is likely to be used to sponsor international terrorism.
OK I incorrectly used ISIS as an example when I meant Al Quaeda, but you jumped on that to have a rant about other stuff so cut me some slack.
After all, you spell like a 9 year old but since you told me it was due to a medical condition I've had the courtesy not to take the piss so perhaps next time I pluck a bad example out of the ether you'd see past it to the point I was making instead of trying to build a mountain out of a molehill?

Point remains though - successive governments of all parties over 50 years have avoided handing over the money for good reason, but this lot have paid up to save a few unfortunate people and get good press coverage - with no regard for the tens of thousands of people that will die at the hand of the bombers and shooters that will benefit from our money.

No mate that wasn't the point you were making at all.

The point you were making was that the Tory government had done something specifically to make good publicity for themselves in the papers and on the news here and now.

You made up and told complete and utter bollocks about the money funding terrorist activities - clearly that is not and will not be happening in how the deal has been structured and with a third country holding the money and it being drawn down for humanitarian needs only.

Amazingly you are still persisting with this fake and false narrative - clearly you haven't watched what was said in the news video I posted above.

You never do.

As for my dyslexia the computers spellcheck facility helps correct most of my errors, as for your propensity to talk continual shit, the computers have ample facilities for you to easily check 'your' facts prior to you posting them on here to ascertain that they match the 'actual' true facts!!!

You never bother doing that either!

It seems that you haven't even bothered to read your own wiki link you've just posted in reply to me!!!

Alleged Al-Qaeda ties

Opposing view
A West Point study based on documents uncovered in Osama bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad found that the Iran-al Qaeda "relationship is not one of alliance, but of indirect and unpleasant negotiations over the release of detained jihadis and their families, including members of bin Laden's family." According to longtime Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) analyst Bruce Riedel: "Rather than being secretly in bed with each other as some have argued, al Qaeda had a fairly hostile relationship with the Iranian regime. To get members of his family out of Iran, for example, bin Laden had an Iranian diplomat kidnapped and then traded. The Iranians released some of his family members in the deal but then double-crossed al Qaeda by not letting one of his daughters, Fatima, free."[57] Similarly, Steve Coll observes that bin Laden "was as paranoid about Iran as he was about the C.I.A. He worried that Iranian doctors might use medical treatment as a pretence to inject his sons with tracking chips."

You really are a cock

wanderlust wrote:You really are a cock

I might well be a cock but I'm a cock who doesn't believe what I read on social media without doing a basic fact check first.

I'm also a cock who bothers to read other people's links.

It's surprising how certain people post links without clearly bothering to read them themselves...

There's that many cocks in here, Natasha will think it's Christmas!

So it turns out that the government knew all about P & O's issues all along.

Spring statement due at lunchtime - a mini-budget if you will.

It's going to be very interesting and I personally expect that our populist government will as usual be geared to ..erm... being popular - i.e. continuing to avoid making the necessary big decisions on the economy.

With inflation YTD running at a 30 year high of 6.2% and anticipated to continue to rise on top of fuel and power issues arising out of the Ukraine war, and a rise in the cap kicking in next month, there is pressure on Sunak to ease the cost of living. Which he will be desperate to do.

So how much more is he willing to raise the national debt by?

He's already shown he has no qualms about borrowing on an unprecedented scale - which he justified by saying interest rates were low, but now they are on the rise and last year we had to cough up £8.4 BILLION in interest alone - dead money that we actually need elsewhere.

Ironically, Sunak has asked the NHS to make "efficiency savings" of nearly £5 billion (i.e. if Sunak hadn't borrowed, our NHS would be safe from further cutbacks) - but I guess we know that is consistent with the government's policy on healthcare despite their thinly veiled rhetoric to the contrary.

Anyhow, I digress because I apparently have "a deep hatred of anything Tory blah blah blah" as opposed to a deep hatred of weak, dishonest populist government.

Personally I reckon Sunak will bottle it....
Expect:
* A big dramatic hoo-ha about the scale of the problem facing us (as if we didn't know already)
* A few pence off fuel duty.
* Much crowing about a conflation of policies already announced before the situation worsened such as the rise in the minimum wage and pension rise next year - just padding really as they are already in place and given the change in situation will probably not be enough anyway
* Vagueness - words about consultations and investigations that don't mean anything

Come on Riski - surprise me!