How is the Tory Shadow Government Doing?

Sluffy wrote:You do realise you are ranting at a news article and not me - my contribution was merely the introducing opening sentence?

It isn't that unusual for people to protest outside MP's office who didn't vote the way they wanted in Parliament nor kids to skip school - I myself had been known to be found queueing for tickets at Burnden in my school uniform along with hundreds of other kids from many other schools - its what kids do - didn't you?

I'm not sure why you think Starmer should 'give' in to those who defied the whip as the analysis above strongly suggests he wanted rid of them anyway (did you even read the article?)

As yet I don't believe the Israeli Defence Force has proved conclusively that Hamas has used schools and hospitals to hide their command centres, isn't that what they are trying to do at the moment unsuccessfully so far?

As for allowing freedom of speech, you do realise that if you stop that right to it for one group, then the  same power can (and will) then be used sooner or later against any group the political party in power at the time may not like - this was basically the reason why Braverman had to be sacked as it is a red line that no politician can cross in a true democracy.

Finally if you have a majority Muslim community, it seems reasonable that they want a Muslim MP to represent them - it isn't that much difference in blue collar areas electing Labour MP's or rich and well to do constituencies electing Conservative MP's, is it?

I don't believe the country is so radicalised yet as to elect a Taliban, ISIS, Hamas MP so I believe your fears to be unfounded.

I'm not being funny here with you 63 but can't you see that posts you make like this one reflects how extreme you political beliefs have come?

You aren't a political centralist holding the views you have, you aren't even a centre right Tory as you clearly are right of the Cameron's and Rishi's of the party, you are (whether you understand it or not - clearly not!) aligned with the hard right camp with the Libertarian looneys like Truss, Braverman, Patel, Raab and their disciples such as Rees-Mogg, Deloris, Anderson, etc.

Not the best company to wish to be in I suggest...

Whitesince63 wrote:
Firstly Sluffy I’m happy to be in the same camp as all those CENTRE RIGHT politicians you’ve named because they at least fight to retain our British values. You on the other hand have been so brainwashed by the likes of the BBC, Sky and Chanel 4 in MSM that you simply don’t understand how far left you’ve been dragged.

As for most of the rest I’m not sure you even read my post properly but if you did completely failed to understand it. If you also fail to understand the growing threat of Islam in this country then there isn’t a discussion to be had. You presumably consider it fine that teachers have to live in hiding for fear of their lives or that in a recent survey 50% of teachers also fear physical harm if they discuss sensitive subjects with Muslim pupils.

My own Daughter in Law along with other teachers had to hide in a cupboard at her school in Darnell in Sheffield when it was attacked by knife wielding Muslim male parents after a child, totally without foundation, lied to his parents that he’d been propositioned by a male teacher. This is sadly not an isolated incidence by the way and yet you don’t see a threat? Get real you myopic. This is not far right, this is not racism, it’s the reality of our country today and unless people wake up to it, God knows what kind of a country our grandkids will inherit and all created by the likes of you.

Whitesince63 wrote:Firstly Sluffy I’m happy to be in the same camp as all those CENTRE RIGHT politicians you’ve named because they at least fight to retain our British values. You on the other hand have been so brainwashed by the likes of the BBC, Sky and Chanel 4 in MSM that you simply don’t understand how far left you’ve been dragged.

As for most of the rest I’m not sure you even read my post properly but if you did completely failed to understand it. If you also fail to understand the growing threat of Islam in this country then there isn’t a discussion to be had. You presumably consider it fine that teachers have to live in hiding for fear of their lives or that in a recent survey 50% of teachers also fear physical harm if they discuss sensitive subjects with Muslim pupils.

My own Daughter in Law along with other teachers had to hide in a cupboard at her school in Darnell in Sheffield when it was attacked by knife wielding Muslim male parents after a child, totally without foundation, lied to his parents that he’d been propositioned by a male teacher. This is sadly not an isolated incidence by the way and yet you don’t see a threat? Get real you myopic. This is not far right, this is not racism, it’s the reality of our country today and unless people wake up to it, God knows what kind of a country our grandkids will inherit and all created by the likes of you.

Whitesince63 wrote:Crikey Sluffy, if you seriously believe all that crap you’re in more trouble than I thought. I could write a book of responses like you do, or post a legion of instances to support my view but it’s pointless because you’ve lost it pal. I’d encourage you to actually open your eyes to what’s happening because you are the one who’s stuck whilst the country around you is sinking under the weight of immigration. 

Look at what happened politically in Holland yesterday, in Italy recently, increasingly in France and even in Germany where people are finally waking up to the damage that mass immigration from Islamic countries is causing. Sadly most of our politicians and Media are like you stuck in myopia or refusal to accept the facts. In our own country the reform Party are now polling as high as 12% so I suppose they’re all extreme right wingers as well? You need to wake up pal instead of ignoring the growing problem.

Norpig wrote:Boncey, that's twice you posted that coat hook and i still don't understand? (Granted i am a stupid tugboat)

boltonbonce wrote:
Everyone needs a hook to hang something on. However small the hook.

Just trying to help 63 out.

Whitesince63 wrote:
The only thing I need helping out on Bonce is how otherwise sensible people can’t accept the damage that increasing and unregulated immigration is doing to this country and especially by those whose religion and culture is totally incompatible with our own.

boltonbonce wrote:
Yes, I hate Sundays. You can hardly move for Brits going to church.

Whitesince63 wrote:
Ok I give up, it’s become impossible to engage in any kind of sensible dialogue on here. No wonder the sites dying.

Whitesince63 wrote:
The only thing I need helping out on Bonce is how otherwise sensible people can’t accept the damage that increasing and unregulated immigration is doing to this country and especially by those whose religion and culture is totally incompatible with our own.

Whitesince63 wrote:Sluffy, I scanned briefly through your latest laborious post and picked out the usual guff about right wing, racist, rivers of blood and your ridiculous assertion that Muslims are happy to live harmoniously besides other religions, when most people know that all over the world many Muslims can’t even live in peace with other Muslims of different persuasions. It really is absolutely pointless discussing any of this with you because like the majority of the other brainwashed liberals like you, you just can’t accept the changes that are taking place around you. It’s a shame that previously intelligent individuals can continue to be so fooled by the media so please don’t bother responding again to my posts because you are so far away from the real facts that attempting to debate any points sensibly with you only results in you labelling me something that suits your demented attitude. Typical of todays MSM indoctrinated myopics.