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Sluffy, the climate may well be hotter in 5 years but you need to tell that to the Chinese and Indians because according to your “experts” they’re the ones to blame and if they’re right the damage has already been done so why should they bother? As far as we’re concerned now we’ve got Super Ed fooking the economy with his mad cap net zero plans I think I’d rather worry about how we pay our ever increasing bills.Sluffy wrote:
Sorry for the late reply, I saw your post at the time but had things to do and forgot about it until I clicked on the thread to post to video clip about Liz Truss below - quite funny and apt I thought.
Anyway, you are sort of right and wrong at the same time.
Yes Labour and Liberals won all those seats (many which are now marginals as you say) because the Conservative vote was split due to many Tory voters voting Reform.
However what sort of a deal (if any?) will the next Conservative leader make with Farage?
And if a deal is done would (moderate) tory voters, vote for extreme right wing polices?
I asked you not so long ago if you would vote Reform (after all, you are blindly following their polices albeit unknowingly) but you stated you would never vote for Reform!
Whether we like it or not the world is moving towards nationalism (eg MAGA), dismantling of government, anti-immigration and climate change denial polices on the one hand (Trumpism, Le Pen, Putin, etc, etc) or rejection of it and the fight to retain democracy, anti-authoritarianism, human rights and a civil, liberal, secular and free society.
Ukraine is fighting a war to save theirs right now, France/Macron gambled everything, called an election and won, to keep theirs, the country overwhelmingly rejected the Conservatives (blame Farage for that - he didn't have to have Reform candidates in every constituency - he did that in order to DEFEAT the Conservatives and gain power for himself - in order to tell them if you want a deal with me then you dance to my tune in future).
Even Biden went under the bus in an attempt to stop Trump.
Anyway a week is a long time in politics. Five years ago I believed Boris majority of 80 seats would keep him in power for two terms - I never dreamt he could piss it all away due to his behaviour. So who knows what the world will be like in 2029 and the next General Election.
One thing I will guarantee though, the climate will be that much more fucked five years and you can deny it as much as you want but the science proves beyond any doubt that the damage has already been done and won't be going back to how we've known it during our lifetimes.
I still believe that under Labour we are heading for such a cataclysmic crunch for this country with public unrest over immigration, law and order, energy prices and union strike activity that the current government will implode and that’s assuming we have no headwinds like Covid and Ukraine.
Whether the Tory’s can regroup and recover sufficiently and quickly enough I don’t know but it seems certain that they have to at least agree a way forward with Reform before any future election. Of course it will be difficult and I do see Farage back into the party as a part of any solution and I don’t see it as the stumbling block you do. For a start the Tory’s can forget about London because they’re so far behind there that major repair work needs to be done first.
They need to concentrate on a centre right position and resist calls for a move to the centre itself. They need to return to true Conservative values of honesty, the family, a work ethic, low taxation and good working public services. They need to be strong on limiting immigration and also on wiping out the ridiculous mantra of EDI which has infested both our private and public businesses and institutions. Cull the number of public employees and especially the civil service and NHS back rooms so responsible for the huge waste. Strengthen our defence and armed forces and most importantly lay out a clear path to move sensibly to net zero when physically, financially and efficiently capable of doing so.
Most importantly they need to understand that whilst immigration, the rise of woke and breakdown of the economy were important reasons people lost faith it was mainly down to dishonesty, lack of trust and a complete refusal to listen to what voters were telling them. I so far haven’t heard one Tory candidate accept that and until they do, apologise for it and mean it I don’t think it matters what else they do.
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