Where do you stand on ‘Woke’?

Biggie wrote:My fear is that in about 15 years time, the police will raid nuts headquarters and obtain this thread and we will all get done for what will by then be considered to be extremist views, back dated hate crimes and racism.

A bit like someone getting done for pinching a man's bum 25 years ago. Is now historical sex assault. Cultures and norms were different then. Society changes. I'm sure a few of you chaps pinched a few bums in your time, and you probably got a few smiles, a few phone numbers and a few slaps.  All done and dusted at the time.

Whitesince63 wrote:
I’m not sure you’d have to wait 15 years to be considered extremist Biggie, it’s like that now. I think a lot of the problem is generational in that the country now is totally different to the one many of us knew growing up when the girls would feel ignored if you didn’t whistle, compliment or even occasionally pinch a bum and few of the faces you saw were non white or of different religions. 

There was no social media, comedy was funny, gay could be used to describe happiness and there were virtually no brands or commercialisation. The population was 12 million lass than it is now, foreigners were either Welsh, Scots or Irish and a house was somewhere to live not an investment. So much change in so short a time but it’s what people have created. 

Fortunately I won’t be around in another 40 or 50 years but the way things are going I’m certain I wouldn’t want to be. My kids and grandkids will have to live with it always assuming Putin doesn’t provoke oblivion of course, although wiping out what’s here now and starting again might not be a bad option?

Whitesince63 wrote:
The problem is Lusty perfectly proved by your reply. You do not seem to understand just how much damage is being done by these disruptive organisations. Comparing them to the Tory government, any government for that matter, is just plain silly. If you can’t “stress” about your life and culture being threatened and damaged beyond repair by what’s happening then I despair of you. You say these people aren’t in power. Really? Just look around you see what’s happening. Brainwashing on a major scale and you’ve fallen for it.

Whether it’s Gay rights, taking the knee, trans issues, authorities attempting to ignore the fact that the grooming gangs consist of mainly Pakistani men, the allowing of tens of thousands of financial migrants and forced people trafficked here to work in the drugs trade and black market. Or our NHS handing out 6 figure contracts to Climate directors and Inclusivity managers when we’re so short of nurses and doctors on the front line. Governments can’t act BECAUSE these people now have so much power. Listening to “children” lecturing grown ups with the shite they’ve also been brainwashed with but not daring to contest it for fear of being cancelled. A major University banning White students from a Black Culture meeting!! How racist is that but it’s ok because it’s only against Whites?

All of these things are the result of the woke squad, either intentionally or by some mistaken view they’re doing right, like you incidentally, are bit by bit destroying our culture and values and exactly the things that make this country the best in the world to live. You continue to stick your head in the sand Lusty and leave a legacy for your kids and grand kids that will destroy them but I want much better for mine and unlike you I won’t be ignoring it, I’ll be doing everything I can to fight against it.

Norpig wrote:
You should write a column for the Daily Fail 63, your post is like a list of their headlines for the last few years on rotation.

wanderlust wrote:
Don’t UKIP have their own rag?

Mad Dog wrote:
This is why people cannot say anything against this woke ideology because people will always hit back and make out that one is racist or homophobic. It’s no wonder the only argument heard is pro woke, no one is allowed to say anything against it.

wanderlust wrote:

Mad Dog wrote:
This is why people cannot say anything against this woke ideology because people will always hit back and make out that one is racist or homophobic. It’s no wonder the only argument heard is pro woke, no one is allowed to say anything against it.

Who is stopping anyone from saying anything that isn’t against the law?
Answer: nobody

wanderlust wrote:
Who is stopping anyone from saying anything that isn’t against the law?
Answer: nobody

Mad Dog wrote:

This is the point I’m making, if anyone writes or says anything against woke ideology there are people like you who will imply that they are racist or homophobic or transphobic. 

wanderlust wrote:
Would that even bother you?
Supposing I did think you are racist - it’s just my opinion which I’m entitled to and you’d have to be pretty insecure to worry about what I think.

The point I’m making is we are lucky enough to live in a society that allows us to have an opinion in the first place whether it happens to be racist, homophobic or woke.

You may disagree with other’s opinions as is your right - but you and White etc have no right to stop others from expressing themselves or their opinions.

It’s called democracy and freedom and millions of Brits have died to get it over the years and if some bloke wants to chop his knob off and wear dresses it’s his/her right and f*** all to do with you or me.

Mad Dog wrote:
Again, you miss my point. It’s not about your opinion of me, I am saying this is a reason why people cannot express their views against woke ideology because there will be people like you who will say that they are racist, homophobic, transphobic. No one in the public eye accused of that will be able to continue with their career now that we are in cancel culture. In effect people cannot speak out. 
And you’re a bit behind the times, a bloke doesn’t need to have his bits chopped off to be able to say he’s a woman and go into women’s changing rooms, women’s prisons now. You maybe fine with that and as you say you have every right to think that. But if anyone thinks differently to you, you do judge them which you proved above.

wanderlust wrote:
But you are expressing your opinion.
Freely.
And nobody is stopping you.

wanderlust wrote:

Mad Dog wrote:
Again, you miss my point. It’s not about your opinion of me, I am saying this is a reason why people cannot express their views against woke ideology because there will be people like you who will say that they are racist, homophobic, transphobic. No one in the public eye accused of that will be able to continue with their career now that we are in cancel culture. In effect people cannot speak out. 
And you’re a bit behind the times, a bloke doesn’t need to have his bits chopped off to be able to say he’s a woman and go into women’s changing rooms, women’s prisons now. You maybe fine with that and as you say you have every right to think that. But if anyone thinks differently to you, you do judge them which you proved above.

But you are expressing your opinion.
Freely.
And nobody is stopping you.

boltonbonce wrote:I feel sorry for people who have a different opinion to my own.

It can't be easy being wrong all the time.

Biggie wrote:

I have only ever been wrong once in my life, and that's when I thought I was wrong but it turned out that I wasn't.

Sluffy wrote:
Just for the record, there is also a MASSIVE difference between expressing your opinion and posting fake news, hatred and lies - of which you do often on here and try to pretend that they are your opinions.

Thet are not - they are what they are - fake news, hatred and lies.