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Who was better in your opinion.

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Who was the better manager.

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21Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Tue May 28 2013, 17:12

Michael Bolton

Michael Bolton
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

wanderlust wrote:Megson spent a fortune on average signings thereby accelerating our financial decline so that Coyle and now Freedman had to rebuild an unsustainable and failing team with no budget. If Coyle had half the nett spend that Megson had he would have kept us up, but he was forced into letting decent players go in order to spend anything.
Didn't help himself by adopting a long-term strategy based on survival whilst the youth players came through as the stopgap players he brought in were crap and we didn't survive albeit narrowly.
Megson kept us up by throwing money at the problem. Coyle took us down by releasing expensive players and not replacing them. Both seemed to work at ideological extremes, but of the two I'd say Coyle was marginally better as with a bit of good luck and a lot less bad luck (especially with injuries to key players) we would have survived long enough to get back on an even keel.

Wanderlust, this idea that Mugson kept us up by throwing money at the problem is slightly flawed. Mugson spent £36m in his time at the club but he did sell Anelka for £15m, Diouf £3m, Nolan £4m, Faye £2m, Michalik £500k, Speed £250k and Meite £2m. Total net spend approx £9.5m over 2 and a bit seasons. Is that really throwing money at it?

Mugson was a far better manager than Coyle. I just don't think he was very likeable.

22Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Tue May 28 2013, 17:16

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

A close call but Coyle was a worse manager.

His signings and his complete tactical stupidity combined with getting us relegated when we had a far easier run in than QPR are the main reasons. Obviously a much nicer guy than Megson but hopeless as a manager. I'll be surprised if he ever gets another job in English football.

23Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Tue May 28 2013, 17:40

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

They can't be compared really. How would Megson have done if he'd been asked to slash the wage bill and rebuild the team with kids and has-beens? Similarly we don't know what Coyle would have done if he'd inherited the team Megson inherited and been given money to wheel and deal with. Different circumstances, so it's impossible to say.
All water under the bridge now.

24Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Tue May 28 2013, 17:59

doffcocker

doffcocker
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

Michael Bolton wrote:
wanderlust wrote:Megson spent a fortune on average signings thereby accelerating our financial decline so that Coyle and now Freedman had to rebuild an unsustainable and failing team with no budget. If Coyle had half the nett spend that Megson had he would have kept us up, but he was forced into letting decent players go in order to spend anything.
Didn't help himself by adopting a long-term strategy based on survival whilst the youth players came through as the stopgap players he brought in were crap and we didn't survive albeit narrowly.
Megson kept us up by throwing money at the problem. Coyle took us down by releasing expensive players and not replacing them. Both seemed to work at ideological extremes, but of the two I'd say Coyle was marginally better as with a bit of good luck and a lot less bad luck (especially with injuries to key players) we would have survived long enough to get back on an even keel.

Wanderlust, this idea that Mugson kept us up by throwing money at the problem is slightly flawed. Mugson spent £36m in his time at the club but he did sell Anelka for £15m, Diouf £3m, Nolan £4m, Faye £2m, Michalik £500k, Speed £250k and Meite £2m. Total net spend approx £9.5m over 2 and a bit seasons. Is that really throwing money at it?


As per TransferMarkt, Megson spent £43,692,000 and recouped £29,326,000 (I don't like to use the word "sold" since a lot of the decisions were made for him) and the wage bill increased by 50%. Coyle spent £18,475,600 and recouped £15,602,400. Whichever way you look at it, Coyle spent not half as much as Megson in the Prem and was far more restricted in terms of the wage bill, making it unfair to compare the two purely on the basis of who did or didn't relegate the club.
Appallingly though Coyle dealt with said circumstances as well as injuries to key players, I'm not for assuming Megson would have done better.



25Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Tue May 28 2013, 18:04

Guest


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Megson took a team containing Gerald Cid, Lubomir Michalik, Andy O'brien, Gavin Mccann, Mikel Alonso, Daniel Braaten and Danny Guthrie to draw with Bayern Munich away. He must have been a genius.

26Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Tue May 28 2013, 20:11

Keegan

Keegan
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They were/are both shite. And lightweight.

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27Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Tue May 28 2013, 20:26

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

Megson was a complete and utter twat!
At least Coyle had respect for the fans and had the Club at heart even if he was mis guided in his tinkerings.
Megson craved the Sheffield Weds job when he was with us, I pissed my sides when he got sacked there!! Bibs and cones is as good as it would ever get for ginger nuts.

28Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Tue May 28 2013, 20:45

bwfc71

bwfc71
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

Both as bad as each other as both of them did not use Sports Sciences to aid the team - as proven with fitness levels and the time it took to recover from even the slightest injury.

It was only recently announced that Sports Science was coming back to the club and all teh equipment were coming out of being mothballed!!! Something I said that had happened ages and ages ago and yet people didn't believe me!

Both Coyle and Megson thought that true grit was teh best for any team, and I do believe that Coyle gave up on the team and club after 5-0 thrashing in teh FA Cup and just went through teh motions with a bit of luck! Megson, although tactically was poor, his mis-management of the fans was his downfall at the club. One cannot keep having a go at the fans over the smallest of things and expect no backlash, sooner or later, from the board (takings down, profits down!!!)

29Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Tue May 28 2013, 20:58

Bernard Dennis Park

Bernard Dennis Park
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

bwfc71 wrote:people didn't believe me!

I wonder why Laughing

30Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Tue May 28 2013, 21:08

bwfc71

bwfc71
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

Bernard Dennis Park wrote:
bwfc71 wrote:people didn't believe me!

I wonder why Laughing



Sluffy here - Chris said something like - Oh please desist from mocking me my dear fellow, thank you and felicitations - or words to that effect (because the words he did use were unworthy for forum readers to sully their eyes upon).

Thank you


Salutations,
what I actually said was FUCF.....
Sincerely
Chris



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31Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Tue May 28 2013, 22:39

waynagain

waynagain
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly

So, the general consensus is they were both shite - who hired them?

32Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Wed May 29 2013, 00:03

bwfc71

bwfc71
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

Eddie Davis, in reality as he holds the purse strings!

33Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Wed May 29 2013, 01:21

doffcocker

doffcocker
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

It's amazing how fast football can change. Can you imagine if you'd shown this thread to somebody at Christmas 2010? There was a time you were generally regarded as a knob for speaking out against Owen Coyle. Literally the opposite is now true.

Think carefully the next time you lambast somebody for slating Freedman.

34Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Wed May 29 2013, 02:07

waynagain

waynagain
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly

Freedman has already proved that he is more interested in money than loyalty to a club, so when he leaves us for more money somewhere else, don't be surprised.

35Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Wed May 29 2013, 10:53

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waynagain wrote:Freedman has already proved that he is more interested in money than loyalty to a club, so when he leaves us for more money somewhere else, don't be surprised.

I think it's ambition not money that drives him, surely you can see how we're a far more attractive proposition than Palace?

Not that I think he'll be loyal to us if an offer comes in from a bigger team, just that I don't buy into this Palace theory he joined us purely for the money.

36Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Wed May 29 2013, 12:26

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

[quote="Natasha Whittam"]
bwfc1874 wrote:
Exactly. As I said on the other thread, people have decided that just because he was negative he knew what he was doing tactically. Quite the opposite was true.

Bullshit. Everyone has agreed Megson was a shit manager, just not quite as shit as Coyle.

quote]
Everyone has not agreed that.
It's fairly apparent that we are agreed that "Megson was a shit manager" but you should have ended the sentence right there as almost half the contributors think he was worse than Coyle.

37Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Wed May 29 2013, 13:37

waynagain

waynagain
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly

bwfc1874 wrote:
waynagain wrote:Freedman has already proved that he is more interested in money than loyalty to a club, so when he leaves us for more money somewhere else, don't be surprised.

I think it's ambition not money that drives him, surely you can see how we're a far more attractive proposition than Palace?

Not that I think he'll be loyal to us if an offer comes in from a bigger team, just that I don't buy into this Palace theory he joined us purely for the money.

Ambition? He left a team who were looking at automatic promotion (and are now a Prem team) to come to a team who were close to the bottom of the division. He got MORE MONEY from Bolton and he'll be off again when somebody else offers him more money.

38Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Wed May 29 2013, 13:45

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

waynagain wrote:

Ambition? He left a team who were looking at automatic promotion (and are now a Prem team) to come to a team who were close to the bottom of the division. He got MORE MONEY from Bolton and he'll be off again when somebody else offers him more money.

I don't see how anyone can argue with this.

39Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Wed May 29 2013, 13:48

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Guest

waynagain wrote:
bwfc1874 wrote:
waynagain wrote:Freedman has already proved that he is more interested in money than loyalty to a club, so when he leaves us for more money somewhere else, don't be surprised.

I think it's ambition not money that drives him, surely you can see how we're a far more attractive proposition than Palace?

Not that I think he'll be loyal to us if an offer comes in from a bigger team, just that I don't buy into this Palace theory he joined us purely for the money.

Ambition? He left a team who were looking at automatic promotion (and are now a Prem team) to come to a team who were close to the bottom of the division. He got MORE MONEY from Bolton and he'll be off again when somebody else offers him more money.

That's a pretty short sighted way of looking at it though. We have far better facilities (State of the art training facilities, stadium, academy) and budget (for players and backroom staff) than Palace do and as such are far better equipped to re-establish ourselves in the premier league, if we do get back.

Their promotion was a surprise, but I'd be 100 times more surprised were they to stay up and going off some of their forums I've looked at even their own fans would be!

Unsurprisingly considering Zaha's gone, Murrays out injured and their back four includes Delaney and Gabbidon. They're just celebrating what they could do with the money for the club - quite rightly it's massive.

But we're a bigger club who have a better chance of becoming established once more, it would be a minor miracle if Palace were to do so.

40Who was better in your opinion. - Page 2 Empty Re: Who was better in your opinion. Thu May 30 2013, 21:50

waynagain

waynagain
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly

Coyle to Wolves?

Coyle to Wigan?

Megson to ?

Seems that 'people who know football' don't have much faith in Megson's abilty. Surely a half decent manager would be offered a job somewhere.

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