Should Freedman get the sack?

bwfc1874 wrote:Nope, he's not going anywhere. Neither the clubs finances, nor Gartsides repuatation can afford another failure.

Once a manager loses the fans he ALWAYS gets the push. Name me one manager in recent years who has survived after the fans have turned against him.

If we are comfortably beaten against Cardiff and QPR he'll be on his way.

Each defeat wakes up a bunch of happy clappers.

Should that not read "When we are comfortably beaten..(etc)"....?

bwfc1874 wrote:More time should be given for him to bring youth in, rushing players in for the sake of it won't help anything. But you make a good point about changing games mid way through, we're not showing the same fight to win games as we did last season.

What youth would that be? Seriously! You can bring in all the youth you want DF won't drop the usual suspects, even after the 7-1 hammering. Team for QPR will be almost the same. It really feels like the dark old days of the Ginger Idiot again.

Also bwfc1874. How many email addresses have you used to logged in to vote to keep Freedman?

Allardyce has had the West Ham fans against him for a long time, but he's still holding on. In part due to the financial implications if sacking the 13th highest paid manager in the world I'd assume.

As I've said before the reaction in the next two games is crucial for him, if there is none and as you suggest we get comfortably beaten then he may well be gone. I'll certainly lose some faith if nothing changes.

Breadman wrote:Should that not read "When we are comfortably beaten..(etc)"....?

Why are you so negative?

JAH wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:More time should be given for him to bring youth in, rushing players in for the sake of it won't help anything. But you make a good point about changing games mid way through, we're not showing the same fight to win games as we did last season.

What youth would that be? Seriously! You can bring in all the youth you want DF won't drop the usual suspects, even after the 7-1 hammering. Team for QPR will be almost the same. It really feels like the dark old days of the Ginger Idiot again.

Dont know why you need this explaining for you, everyone surely knows our more promising youth players- White, Wilkinson, Vela (now he's fit) and possibly Bolger. Odelusi has made good progress given his career looked dead under Coyle.

By more time I don't mean one game JAH its a matter of months. He brought some of our best youth to the club so I'm trusting him to judge when they're ready for the first team. Considering he's overhauled said youth system I don't think 15 months is long enough to make a final judgement on that aspect.

74, out of interest, why do you say Odelusi's career "looked dead" aged just 19, when Coyle left?

I'm not saying you're wrong, I just want to know if something was catastrophically wrong between him and Coyle, that meant he definitely wouldn't have had the couple of cup and bench appearances under Coyle, that he's had under Dougie.

bwfc1874 wrote:Allardyce has had the West Ham fans against him for a long time, but he's still holding on. In part due to the financial implications if sacking the 13th highest paid manager in the world I'd assume.

But like Freedman he's a couple of defeats away from the boot. No manager recovers from the position Allardyce & Freedman find themselves in.

Doff - His comments after scoring twice against Shrewsbury in the cup, he mentioned he'd just been 'drifting' along under Coyle, maybe saying his career was dead is the wrong choice of words. But Freedman does seem to be putting more focus on the academy in his transfers.

Nat you may well be right, we'll find out in the coming weeks.

Boggersbelief wrote:

Breadman wrote:Should that not read "When we are comfortably beaten..(etc)"....?

Why are you so negative?

Do you honestly believe we will win either of those games?

Natasha Whittam wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:Allardyce has had the West Ham fans against him for a long time, but he's still holding on. In part due to the financial implications if sacking the 13th highest paid manager in the world I'd assume.

But like Freedman he's a couple of defeats away from the boot. No manager recovers from the position Allardyce & Freedman find themselves in.

Sam will get the boot, DF will not get the boot even if we go down.(which we wont) He has the boards full backing.

Triumph wrote:DF will not get the boot even if we go down.(which we wont) He has the boards full backing.

It doesn't matter - if things don't improve the fans will get him out. Simple.

The board can't afford to sack him and if they did we would probably have Jimmy Phillips and Little Sam running things until the end of the season.

Reebok Trotter wrote:The board can't afford to sack him and if they did we would probably have Jimmy Phillips and Little Sam running things until the end of the season.

I don't see a problem with this, the worst that could happen is that we are still in the shit.

It's worth the risk in my opinion, you never know they might do better than Freeman.

Said it all along, the board will always have money put to one side when they need to ship out a manager and his cronies.

Every club can always sack their manager if needs be.

aaron_bwfc wrote:Said it all along, the board will always have money put to one side when they need to ship out a manager and his cronies.

Every club can always sack their manager if needs be.

Absolutely, 100% spot on.

I've never understood the whole "we can't afford to sack him" argument, because if you think about it, any club which doesn't have the disposable funds available to sack a manager should not be in business.

If things are that tight, your margins on operating costs are far too narrow and it's only a matter of time before you go bust anyway.

One thing's for sure, something doesn't add up. 

On the one hand we've got Gartside saying the debt is effectively only £8m (and we're the envy of many clubs financially), on the other hand we've spent the whole season closer to the relegation zone than the play-offs, and evidence of disunity in the dressing couldn't be more plentiful.

Breadman wrote:

aaron_bwfc wrote:Said it all along, the board will always have money put to one side when they need to ship out a manager and his cronies.

Every club can always sack their manager if needs be.

Absolutely, 100% spot on.

I've never understood the whole "we can't afford to sack him" argument, because if you think about it, any club which doesn't have the disposable funds available to sack a manager should not be in business.

If things are that tight, your margins on operating costs are far too narrow and it's only a matter of time before you go bust anyway.

Course we could sack him but the point is that given how much it would cost the board aren't likely to do it short of an absolute disaster ie relegation or the continuation of this seasons performances/results till the end of this and into next. A half decent run at the end of the season and he'll keep his job IMO.

Why does every thread discussing this point include at least three posts saying "He's going nowhere because we can't afford to sack him" then?

I agree with what you're saying about the likelihood of him staying but that's got more to do with Gartside's stupidity than money.

My point was that too many people seem to think we haven't got the financial resources to end his contract.