Elections - Who are you going to vote for?

bwfc1874 wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9753667/Ukip-candidate-Geoffrey-Clark-condemned-over-compulsory-abortion-views.html

It may be a protest vote, but it gives idiots like this a platform. I'd be ashamed to vote UKIP.

Right, so because one UKIP politician has extreme views, the whole party should be tarnished with the same brush?

If it was one then no, but there have been a ridiculous amount.

Why would you want a party who want to remove equal pay for women?

bwfc1874 wrote:If it was one then no, but there have been a ridiculous amount.

Why would you want a party who want to remove equal pay for women?

Correct on both counts. Some folk judge a book by it's cover.

bwfc1874 wrote:If it was one then no, but there have been a ridiculous amount.

Why would you want a party who want to remove equal pay for women?

It doesn't bother me - people that deserve the good pay will always get it regardless of their sex.

There's way too much PC bollocks in this country - the fact remains that the majority of good business people in this country are over 40, white, straight and male.

It's up to anyone not in that category to work their backsides off, not get preferential treatment because they fall into some minority category.

That's why my Preston Businesswoman of the Year award is so special.

bwfc1874 wrote:If it was one then no, but there have been a ridiculous amount.

Why would you want a party who want to remove equal pay for women?

Completely correct - this is from a group I am with that exposes the UKIP for what they are....

1. Nigel Farage on women: “Godfrey’s [Bloom, former UKIP MEP] comment that ‘no employer with a brain in the right place would employ a young, single, free woman‘ has been proved so right. With this lunacy, that if you have children you get three months paid leave off work, or... six months paid leave off work – he absolutely got it spot on.”

2. UKIP want to scrap paid maternity leave (in line with Lesotho, Swaziland, the US and Papua New Guinea).

3. UKIP want to make it legal for employers to discriminate on the basis of gender (as well as race).

4. This would also entail the scrapping of employment regulations against sexual harassment and safeguards for part time and irregular workers, the majority of which are women.

5. Nigel Farage informed City high flyers that they are “worth less” to employers if they become mothers or that motherhood is a lifestyle choice.

6. Patrick O’Flynn, MEP Candidate, also say that pregnant women in the workplace are a “disaster”.

7. UKIP’s MEPs have consistently failed to represent the interests of women. They have voted against or simply not turned up to key votes in the European Parliament on ensuring equal pay, combating violence against women and ruling out FGM, to name but a few.

8. Since the 2009 European Election UKIP’s only two female MEPs, Nikki Sinclaire and Marta Andreasen, have both left the party. Andreason said Farage “doesn’t try to involve intelligent professional women in positions of responsibility in the party. He thinks women should be in the kitchen or in the bedroom”. Nikki Sinclaire won an Employment Tribunal claim for sex discrimination against the party.

9. Roger Helmer, UKIP MEP and candidate in the Newark by-election, said, “Rape is always wrong, but not always equally culpable.”

10. Godfrey Bloom, a former UKIP MEP, was not reprimanded for hugely sexist statements such as, “[feminists are] shrill, bored, middle-class women of a certain physical genre” and, “Women, in spite of years of training in art and music – and significant leisure time in the 18th and 19th Centuries – have produced few great works”

11. Stuart Wheeler, the party’s treasurer, said that women were “absolutely nowhere” when they compete with men in sports where they are not physically disadvantaged. He said, “I would just like to challenge the idea that it is necessary to have a lot of women or a particular number on a board… Business is very, very competitive and you should take the performance of women in another competitive area, which is sport where [men] have no strength advantage.”

12. In November 2013, UKIP MEP, Stuart Agnew said (in a debate on women in the boardroom) that “Women don’t have the ambition to get to the top, something gets in the way. It’s called a baby… Those females who really want to get to the top do so”.

13. David Chalice , a senior party official in Exeter, has voiced his belief that women should stay at home and that “cash-strapped Moslems”(sic) should have multiple wives.

14. Demetri Marchessini, the party’s sixth-largest individual donor in 2013, said there was no such thing as marital rape, arguing: “If you make love on Friday and make love Sunday, you can’t say Saturday is rape.” He also claimed women should be banned from wearing trousers because they “discourage love-making”.

bwfc71 wrote:

Completely correct - this is from a group I am with that exposes the UKIP for what they are....

1. Nigel Farage on women: “Godfrey’s [Bloom, former UKIP MEP] comment that ‘no employer with a brain in the right place would employ a young, single, free woman‘ has been proved so right. With this lunacy, that if you have children you get three months paid leave off work, or... six months paid leave off work – he absolutely got it spot on.”

I like UKIP because they speak sense, regardless of whether it's politically correct.

I run a small business. If I have two 25 year olds in front of me with similar qualifications and experience am I going to choose the man or the woman? The man of course, women aged 25-35 are never bloody at work - why should my business have to pay someone to stay at home and have a baby?

You think it's sense that they don't believe in global warming?

I'd say going against scientific proof is senseless.

What about bringing back hand guns? Is that sense?

bwfc1874 wrote:You think it's sense that they don't believe in global warming?

I'd say going against scientific proof is senseless.

What about bringing back hand guns? Is that sense?

I don't agree about the guns, but I have no problem with them not believing in global warming - I'm 50/50 myself.

You are never going to agree with 100% of things a party says - you simply have to choose the one that fits you best. And right now the country is overrun with foreigners. Perhaps when a Polish chap takes your job you'll feel differently.

Breadman wrote:"Completely correct - this is from a group I am with that exposes the UKIP for what they are...."

Are you like Marvel's Avengers....?

Which one do you dress up as?

Nope, the New Avengers.  I am Purdey's right knee-length boot!

 

Natasha Whittam wrote:

bwfc71 wrote:

Completely correct - this is from a group I am with that exposes the UKIP for what they are....

1. Nigel Farage on women: “Godfrey’s [Bloom, former UKIP MEP] comment that ‘no employer with a brain in the right place would employ a young, single, free woman‘ has been proved so right. With this lunacy, that if you have children you get three months paid leave off work, or... six months paid leave off work – he absolutely got it spot on.”

I like UKIP because they speak sense, regardless of whether it's politically correct.

I run a small business. If I have two 25 year olds in front of me with similar qualifications and experience am I going to choose the man or the woman? The man of course, women aged 25-35 are never bloody at work - why should my business have to pay someone to stay at home and have a baby?

Just because nobody wants to bang you up doesn't mean other women are off limits!!

Are we out of Europe yet?

Yes.

The Pound is now worth about eight Euros, the weather is officially 27% better than before and you can buy wonky bananas in Tesco. (By the lb, not the stupid kg.)

It's all good - Go Nige !

Breadman wrote:Yes.

The Pound is now worth about eight Euros, the weather is officially 27% better than before and you can buy wonky bananas in Tesco. (By the lb, not the stupid kg.)

It's all good - Go Nige !

Brilliant! Does that mean I don't have to pay staff the minimum wage any more? They've been living high on the hog for far to long now. Should save me enough to take up fox-hunting.

With the Pound now being so strong against the Euro, we're all a lot better off, so you can actually afford to pay them £25 an hour.

Eventually we'll all be so wealthy, we'll be able to buy Europe.

(I've got my eye on France, but I might put a cheeky bid in for northern Spain as well.)

We can then rent it back to them and make a killing.

John Maynard Keynes and Milton Friedman....?

I've shit 'em!

Actually in the real world just checked the exchange rate and surprise surprise the pound has fallen against the euro!


Before the election £1 = €1.235
so far today £1 = €1.221

Ma not seem like a large drop but is has fallen by 1.13% which in currency exchange terms is a significant drop.

Lets not forget, also, in world terms the pound is the 5th most traded currency, fallen two places in the last 5 years.
1. USD
2. EUR
3. YEN
4. CAD
=5. GBP
=5. AUD

Soul Kitchen wrote:

Natasha Whittam wrote:

bwfc71 wrote:

Completely correct - this is from a group I am with that exposes the UKIP for what they are....

1. Nigel Farage on women: “Godfrey’s [Bloom, former UKIP MEP] comment that ‘no employer with a brain in the right place would employ a young, single, free woman‘ has been proved so right. With this lunacy, that if you have children you get three months paid leave off work, or... six months paid leave off work – he absolutely got it spot on.”

I like UKIP because they speak sense, regardless of whether it's politically correct.

I run a small business. If I have two 25 year olds in front of me with similar qualifications and experience am I going to choose the man or the woman? The man of course, women aged 25-35 are never bloody at work - why should my business have to pay someone to stay at home and have a baby?

Just because nobody wants to bang you up doesn't mean other women are off limits!!

The UKIP stance on compulsory paid maternity leave is actually the first thing that made me sit up and take notice. It's the first time I have heard a party talking sense over it. Some of the comments, like the above have been taken out of context though and make it sound like a bad thing...

Lies !!!

Ignore the heretic!

Her Majesty's English Pound Sterling is now the most valuable currency on the planet - Fact!

In fact, the Yanks have buried all the gold they had in the Federal Reserve in a big pit because it's now worthless.

Don't believe the lies, folks - we're rich!

bwfc71 wrote:Actually in the real world just checked the exchange rate and surprise surprise the pound has fallen against the euro!