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21Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Mon May 07 2012, 19:08

Hipster_Nebula

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[quote="jayjay23"]
Hipster_Nebula wrote:
Lofty_Love wrote:

For me anyway, i just don't see the point of pointing out his obvious flaws every game when others are equally as flawed.

I'll say what the point is...

Myself and Doffcocker are not keen on Davies in general terms - we see things as weaknesses which other people tend to gloss over. The thing is, the people who gloss over his weaknesses are also the people who, after he scored 2 goals, thought he should be straight back in the start 11. Rightly or wrongly of them they thought his strengths outweighed his weaknesses where Doffcocker and I tend to think that a good game for Davies is more of a lucky game than anything else - and for saying that we get shot down - but then when he has 2 pretty crap 90 mins where he doesn't get subbed (on the strength of his recent "heroics" - which we predicted) you act like we are not allowed to point it out - and you also act like you knew he was a weak link all along - when really you were just as up for him starting recent games as Coyle was.



Never said "you weren't allowed" don't think so anyway.

I don't think he is a weak link personally, i do think he was in the middle of the season, now the weak link is our midfield and defensive organisation.

And it's not being "shot down" jayjay it's just a discussion, the only thing i "shot down" was the multiple threads dedicated to the same topic, just seems a bit excessive, but it's hardly keeping me up at night. More an observation.

anyway i don't think we're going to change each others minds so it's a case of agree to disagree.

22Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Mon May 07 2012, 19:30

jayjay23

jayjay23
Tony Kelly
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[quote="Hipster_Nebula"]
jayjay23 wrote:
Hipster_Nebula wrote:
Lofty_Love wrote:

For me anyway, i just don't see the point of pointing out his obvious flaws every game when others are equally as flawed.

I'll say what the point is...

Myself and Doffcocker are not keen on Davies in general terms - we see things as weaknesses which other people tend to gloss over. The thing is, the people who gloss over his weaknesses are also the people who, after he scored 2 goals, thought he should be straight back in the start 11. Rightly or wrongly of them they thought his strengths outweighed his weaknesses where Doffcocker and I tend to think that a good game for Davies is more of a lucky game than anything else - and for saying that we get shot down - but then when he has 2 pretty crap 90 mins where he doesn't get subbed (on the strength of his recent "heroics" - which we predicted) you act like we are not allowed to point it out - and you also act like you knew he was a weak link all along - when really you were just as up for him starting recent games as Coyle was.



Never said "you weren't allowed" don't think so anyway.

I don't think he is a weak link personally, i do think he was in the middle of the season, now the weak link is our midfield and defensive organisation.

And it's not being "shot down" jayjay it's just a discussion, the only thing i "shot down" was the multiple threads dedicated to the same topic, just seems a bit excessive, but it's hardly keeping me up at night. More an observation.

anyway i don't think we're going to change each others minds so it's a case of agree to disagree.

Agree to disagree. Never. You lose!

Byt seriously, sorry, my post was not directed at you exactly, it was aimed at the general discussion despite the way I worded my reply and quoted you. Ooops.

23Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Mon May 07 2012, 20:26

gloswhite

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He was good, and did well for us, but now he's well past his best, but we don't always have a decent replacement. No point having a go at the guy just because he's getting old and is a cart horse. He can't refuse to play.

24Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Mon May 07 2012, 21:17

doffcocker

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I don't see why we have to remind ourselves how good he's been in the past every time we have the debate (not that I disagree). If you think there's little room in football for sentimentality and therefore patience with employees, think about professions where people's lives depend on the competence of workers, like healthcare and emergency services, except people in those lines of work earn a lot less than Kevin.
What I'm saying is Davies gets, from every angle, a brilliant deal as a Bolton player and a bit of forum stick is nothing!

That said, why are these threads interpreted as attacks on Davies' person anyway? Who's under the delusion that he doesn't choose when and for how long he plays?

25Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Mon May 07 2012, 22:08

Hipster_Nebula

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HE DESERVES RESPECT!!!!!!!

Just kidding, i agree there is no room for sentiment in football.

I'm all for giving players their due for past achievements but that doesn't mean they're immune from the odd lambasting.

26Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Tue May 08 2012, 01:19

terenceanne

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It seems to me that every team I watch has forwards who can turn, have some pace, beat a man and have a do at goal. We haven't had that since Anelka.
I have asked this question before.....can anybody remember the last striker to receive a great pass through the middle that splits the defenders....goes on to fire past or go around the keeper and slot it in. Not counting Anelka.

27Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Tue May 08 2012, 14:57

Hipster_Nebula

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Nat Lofthouse

Well Elmander did it a few times.

28Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Tue May 08 2012, 15:03

jayjay23

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Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly

terenceanne wrote:It seems to me that every team I watch has forwards who can turn, have some pace, beat a man and have a do at goal. We haven't had that since Anelka.
I have asked this question before.....can anybody remember the last striker to receive a great pass through the middle that splits the defenders....goes on to fire past or go around the keeper and slot it in. Not counting Anelka.

Sturridge and Elmander.

29Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Tue May 08 2012, 15:16

doffcocker

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Ivan Campo
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Tuncay could have been that player, but we'll never know!

What I find interesting (changing topic slightly) is that a lot of the fans that have begrudged Tuncay a run in the team in his preferred position because he's been sloppy when he's come on as a sub are the same fans that will use anything to justify Davies' place in the starting 11.

30Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Tue May 08 2012, 15:21

largehat

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Are you talking about fans on here Doffcocker?

If so, why not name names?

I genuinely don't remember reading anyone saying that the begrudge Tuncay a run in the team.

I think you're making that up.

31Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Tue May 08 2012, 15:34

doffcocker

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largehat wrote:Are you talking about fans on here Doffcocker?

If so, why not name names?

I genuinely don't remember reading anyone saying that the begrudge Tuncay a run in the team.

I think you're making that up.

Not necessarily on here.

You're not telling me you've not read posts where people have made up their mind about Tuncay and are happy to see him rot in the reserves while the likes of Davies and Klasnic get chance after chance.

Most threads about Tuncay have at least one post to the tune of "Tuncay has done nothing! Pulis had him sussed and now Coyle has too." etc.

32Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Tue May 08 2012, 17:18

largehat

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I've read a few posts from people moaning about Tuncay, I've read posts moaning about every player at the club and every member of the back room staff, the chairman, the physios and even the fans.

The majority of the posts I've read about Tuncay have bemoaned his lack of opportunities to play as a second striker, his natural position.

A few people have pointed out that Tuncay was fantastic at Middlebrough and hasn't done well anywhere since, which is a matter of opinion of course.

But the idea that people who are defending Davies are the same people criticising Tuncay is fanciful in my opinion.

33Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Tue May 08 2012, 19:39

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I honestly believe that if Tuncay had anything worthwhile to contribute then Coyle would have played him. Just look at how much he tries to get us playing football, if he thought that Tuncay would facilitate us doing this more then he'd be a shoe-in. There's issues there that none of us are aware of I'm sure, whether it be fitness related or attitude but Coyle's not fancied him and you have to abide by his decisions.
The non playing of Sordell is the one that I find bizarre TBH, totally at a loss as to why this might be bar a few rumours concerning his attitude in training.

34Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Tue May 08 2012, 19:43

Natasha Whittam

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TheHateCamel wrote:
The non playing of Sordell is the one that I find bizarre TBH, totally at a loss as to why this might be bar a few rumours concerning his attitude in training.

It's got to the point where I don't care what he's like in training....he's young with a bit of pace, he should start on Sunday.

35Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Tue May 08 2012, 19:50

terenceanne

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Tuncay can't fill in for Pratts in the middle? sitting behind Ngog.... he is an experienced international player who seemed lively on the bits I've seen. Bring on Vela who has never kicked a ball in the Prem? Then the Sordel thing is beyond me and most posters it seems like.
All I want is our best players out there ....then let the chips fall whereever. If Ginger did this (and he did) we were screaming for his head. It's only because OC seems like a nice guy that all of us are not on his back.

36Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Tue May 08 2012, 19:55

Hipster_Nebula

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Natasha Whittam wrote:
TheHateCamel wrote:
The non playing of Sordell is the one that I find bizarre TBH, totally at a loss as to why this might be bar a few rumours concerning his attitude in training.

It's got to the point where I don't care what he's like in training....he's young with a bit of pace, he should start on Sunday.

add to the fact those "rumours" are total nonsense. Bar a couple of spurious tweets from 17 year olds who know people "within the club" there's been nothing to suggest he's done anything wrong.

37Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Tue May 08 2012, 20:04

TheHateCamel

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David Lee
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So what's the answer? Was he bought with an eye on tearing up the Championship? SKD finally goes into retirement and starts his home for orphans, Klasnic retires to become the Croation NHS transplant Tsar. Thus leaving N'Gog and Sordell to form the greatest championship strike partnership since Blake and McGinley. Hell of a masterplan. That Coyle's a genius!

38Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Tue May 08 2012, 20:05

doffcocker

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

TheHateCamel wrote: I honestly believe that if Tuncay had anything worthwhile to contribute then Coyle would have played him. Just look at how much he tries to get us playing football, if he thought that Tuncay would facilitate us doing this more then he'd be a shoe-in. There's issues there that none of us are aware of I'm sure, whether it be fitness related or attitude but Coyle's not fancied him and you have to abide by his decisions.
The non playing of Sordell is the one that I find bizarre TBH, totally at a loss as to why this might be bar a few rumours concerning his attitude in training.

What's more comprehensible about Tuncay's virtual omission than Sordell's?

At the end of the day, the way that Coyle 'tries to get us playing football' isn't good enough. Fact! So if that was to be his excuse for leaving out Tuncay/Sordell, it wouldn't be good enough for me!

39Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Tue May 08 2012, 20:09

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

The lack of chances for Tuncay really is baffling.

especially when you consider he offers something totally different to ALL our other strikers.

40Kevin Davies - Page 2 Empty Re: Kevin Davies Tue May 08 2012, 20:13

gloswhite

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With Coyle, I think its not so much who he is leaving out, more who he wants to keep in. We've seen time after time that he is reluctant to let the old guard stand down. Tuncay is lively, he is experienced, and I see no reason why he can't play, especially against his old club.

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