Jeremy Corbyn

I do fight for what is right okocha. But this issue doesn't grab me. You may be right about the election system but even if it changed it would still be the same corrupt politicians involved.

Cameron may be a slimy toad, but it seems to me that they all are regardless of which party they represent.

Our "undemocratic system" has been in place since the year dot. If it needs changing I would say the only change would be to make it compulsory voting. PR or it's versions could possibly allow SNP, Looney Party, Greens to form a government.

At this rate if we have compulsory voting it will be an endorsement of the Tories!!!

If I remember correctly Corbyn used to wave two fingers to the previous Labour leaders? It's a difficult platform to stand on and expect your own to unite behind you when you didn't do the same.
It will be interesting to see how he proposes to defend the country against undesirables and his costings for re-nationalisation of various services. No doubt some can explain where the money will come from?

Soul Kitchen wrote:If I remember correctly Corbyn used to wave two fingers to the previous Labour leaders? It's a difficult platform to stand on and expect your own to unite behind you when you didn't do the same.
It will be interesting to see how he proposes to defend the country against undesirables and his costings for re-nationalisation of various services. No doubt some can explain where the money will come from?

 It doesn't really matter what his views are on almost anything because he won't last. Nobody will take him seriously as a party leader as he's too much outside of established political norms in the UK to be regarded as a serious party leader. Within a year he'll have resigned on some point of principle or been ousted as a rampant incompetent. Then we'll have to go through the whole tedious leadership election again.
You may admire him for his principled stand but in modern politics he's too much of a dinosaur.
Give him a year and he'll be waving goodbye.
He certainly won't be leading Labour into the next general election and there's more chance of me (or even Nat) being the next prime minister than of him being  it.

rammywhite wrote:more chance of Nat being the next prime minister

I like your thinking.

rammywhite wrote:

Soul Kitchen wrote:If I remember correctly Corbyn used to wave two fingers to the previous Labour leaders? It's a difficult platform to stand on and expect your own to unite behind you when you didn't do the same.
It will be interesting to see how he proposes to defend the country against undesirables and his costings for re-nationalisation of various services. No doubt some can explain where the money will come from?

 It doesn't really matter what his views are on almost anything because he won't last. Nobody will take him seriously as a party leader as he's too much outside of established political norms in the UK to be regarded as a serious party leader. Within a year he'll have resigned on some point of principle or been ousted as a rampant incompetent. Then we'll have to go through the whole tedious leadership election again.
You may admire him for his principled stand but in modern politics he's too much of a dinosaur.
Give him a year and he'll be waving goodbye.
He certainly won't be leading Labour into the next general election and there's more chance of me (or even Nat) being the next prime minister than of him being  it.

Bob on! He's got the kids and the retros hanging onto his words, some of which make moral sense, but the bottom line is he's an overaged hippy!
This will feed our one party system nicely I'm sad to say

Labour have just committed electoral suicide.

okocha wrote:

Also sickening was the vote on assisted suicide: I don't think a single MP voted in a way that represented the views of his/her constituents and the public in general.

How do you know the views of total strangers? What people say in public isn't necessarily what they really think.

Assisted suicide is a tough one, it could easily go tits up and bring chaos.

Well Camoron hugged a "hoodie", I wonder if Jeremy will hug an ISIS undesirable seeing as he recently said he didn't see them as a threat?
They say the working man is his own biggest enemy?

As a card carrying Labour supporter i guess the Tories are popping corks today. JC a true socialist but sadly in this day and age unelectable, part of the problem was the other three candidates offered sod all. i voted to keep JC out rather than a leader, because historically labour do not get elected on a left wing ticket. So this will mean that Osborne/Boris will be next PM.

The Tory press will slaughter the new leader, unless this is a true sea of change then the Labour party just committed suicide. What pisses me off is people paid £3 vote then piss off, leaving people who pay monthly subscriptions with this mess. I cant think of any other organisation that would allow none members to decide such an important issue. I hope that at the very least Jeremy gives Cameron a right go at the despatch box. Time will tell but i fear we will be party of protest when in truth you can only change things when in government. So we blew it.

Wessy. You summed it up there. I'm totally pissed off now with politics after discussing and standing my corner over the years. The fuck up started five years ago when Ed got the nod and not Dave. Not saying Dave would have made a big impression, but seemed a better option, Ed had the charisma of a wet fish and Camoron made him look like a child.
As I've previously stated, a one party state looms, as daft as it may seem.

I agree SK the wrong brother won and it went tits up.

Huge swing from UKIP to Labour in Euxton North yesterday - 

Matters not a jot. Labour hold says it all really. UKIP is not the problem, the problem is within the party, Corbyn.

I think the point of interest with this is really that the swing towards UKIP was classed as a swing to the right by the electorate - which would make these voters pretty inaccessible to Corbyn. But a swing back towards Labour would actually suggest it was more of anti mainstream politicians move, ground which Corbyn can claim.

Won't matter a jot at the election. Boundaries will have changed and the Tories will have it stitched up.
Not to mention the jocks.

Ye probably true, but a lot can change in the next 5 years. I'm not even sure Corbyn will be leader this time next year.

At least he had the sense to wear a red poppy at PMQ, after all the earlier debacle about wearing a white one, or one not at all. Seems like a little bit of practical political pragmatism may be creeping in at the edges to dilute his principles.