My pro-Dougie stance...

So the gist is that we a building a style for a couple of years from now .....sounds like a plan. Who will be carrying out this plan though ?   Seems like half the players will be coming or going thereby never having this training period under the passing system. We play loanees rather than our own players and Doogs poor team selections will not likely change going forward.
Using Arsenal as an example ....they bring in players who can pass a ball with either foot....they don't need two years to learn the system.
BWFC has been renowned for playing hoofball since BSA .....  Against Boro they were hoofing to a 5' 10" striker......with the manager sitting there watching it happen and doing nowt about it.

Well I admit to knowing nowt about football to quote our past leader .....also we are still below Derby...to quote .....

It's a little sad that with all the excellent points raised in this thread the one thing that sticks out is that there was 'heavy breathing' during JayJay23's Kevin Davies video...
 

Heavy breathing lol. It's big kev - you could hear him from the stands.

Anyone gonna share this video?

I can't find it i think he's taken it down.

Freedman has nothing to work with money wise but that doesn't excuse his faults which imo are the same as the last three BWFC managers. Firstly, one dimensional tactics, whether attack or defence minded don't work, a manager has to adapt to the opposition as well as play to our strengths. Dougie seems to be doing neither. He seems to be in a Megson mould, don't concede and hope to nick a goal somewhere rather than actually plan to attack. At home we have been dire, no other word for it and any team that's won more away games than home games isn't going to get promoted. 

I want to give him till the end of the season before making a final judgement but I would be lying if I said it looked at all good for Dougie right now. He's got to wake up and start going after wins, going after the opposition rather than sitting back trying to soak up pressure then maybe launch a long ball counter attack. It doesn't work at school level let alone in professional football. If he doesn't change things radically and start using the players he already has in the way they can play and would perform best then frankly come the summer I'll hold the door so Natasha can kick him through it with a smile on my face. 

I hope he can sort this out; I really hope he comes good but I doubt he can or will. I wouldn't change things now for reasons I've stated ad infinitum on here already but in the summer I think he will have to go unless he's proved he can learn from mistakes and really take this club to where it needs to be. Can he do it? Yes he has the brains and the ability. Will he do it? That's a lot less certain, he's a very stubborn individual and seems incapable of admitting even to himself that his 'plan' (whatever it may be) isn't working in reality. I'd say it's time Dougie looked hard in the mirror and started to admit to himself this isn't what's needed and start to think fast on how to change it.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:I can't find it i think he's taken it down.

It got a copyright warning and was then taken down.

luckyPeterpiper wrote:Freedman has nothing to work with money wise but that doesn't excuse his faults which imo are the same as the last three BWFC managers. Firstly, one dimensional tactics, whether attack or defence minded don't work, a manager has to adapt to the opposition as well as play to our strengths. Dougie seems to be doing neither. He seems to be in a Megson mould, don't concede and hope to nick a goal somewhere rather than actually plan to attack. At home we have been dire, no other word for it and any team that's won more away games than home games isn't going to get promoted. 

I want to give him till the end of the season before making a final judgement but I would be lying if I said it looked at all good for Dougie right now. He's got to wake up and start going after wins, going after the opposition rather than sitting back trying to soak up pressure then maybe launch a long ball counter attack. It doesn't work at school level let alone in professional football. If he doesn't change things radically and start using the players he already has in the way they can play and would perform best then frankly come the summer I'll hold the door so Natasha can kick him through it with a smile on my face. 

I hope he can sort this out; I really hope he comes good but I doubt he can or will. I wouldn't change things now for reasons I've stated ad infinitum on here already but in the summer I think he will have to go unless he's proved he can learn from mistakes and really take this club to where it needs to be. Can he do it? Yes he has the brains and the ability. Will he do it? That's a lot less certain, he's a very stubborn individual and seems incapable of admitting even to himself that his 'plan' (whatever it may be) isn't working in reality. I'd say it's time Dougie looked hard in the mirror and started to admit to himself this isn't what's needed and start to think fast on how to change it.

Correct you are Sir ..... Although we don't have great players currently they could have been used much better over the last year. 

If you saw that article last week about Champs managers getting fired at a record pace..... they get fired because most are useless. You and I can go for our coaching badges ....it does not mean we are good managers. Anybody can pass the technical stuff....but the real talent is spotting talent, using and motivating that talent in the best way possible way. Auld Doogie doesn't seem to have it. OC was better but not by much.  
On a none related .... Charlton bought out today ....now they will have an influx of money and ambition.......not good for us I'm afraid.

Biggie wrote:

Norpig wrote:i knew watching us was boring but counting the long balls deserves a special award for services above and beyond the call of duty  

Thank you. I did it whilst bored in my mental hospital cell.

After reading all the previous stuff you've wrote Biggie I felt compelled to ask had you spent time in K2 and all was revealed before I came to the end of the thread.
I'll bet you've got cauliflower fingers with all that typing, wouldn't it have just been simpler to say we were practising for when we get in the Prem?
Anyway, good luck counting the bricks in your cell!!

Well I admire your conviction and belief Biggie lad but truth betold Freedman is completely out of his depth both tactically and in his squad management.
Again against Boro his set up belied belief ? A 5ft 10 young forward on his last loan game against two centre halves the size of two brick houses ?? The lad must have paid for his own taxi back to Cardiff to get the fuck out of here !!
The numerous fuck ups in selection , tactics, weird subs etc etc leave most fans completely baffled. Watching the game against Boro was like having your teeth pulled out by a pair of pliers,excruciating but then again every game is the same.
I am not erudite enough at this time of night to shoot down your post piece by piece other than to say I admire your faith but it is I am afraid sadly misplaced in the present incumbant,he is effing without any merit whatsoever.
I defy anyone to get even close to what the team will be tomorrow,or the tactics etc etc
Can bet your house that wanker Pratley will start though !!! Boom Boom !!!

terenceanne wrote:.but the real talent is spotting talent, using and motivating that talent in the best way possible way. Auld Doogie doesn't seem to have it. OC was better but not by much.  

You're going to need to justify this for me.

For what it's worth I agree with Biggie in terms of giving Dougie more time. I think a lot of posters on here have gone way over the top in their criticism of him, I want to give him the next year or so and see if he brings through the talent that he's recruited. 

It's the most long term plan we've had in my time supporting the club and if we have any hopes of surviving in future we need it to come off. Understandably; given recent results, some want to get rid but I'm willing to back him so long as the players are on side (which I think they are) and he continues to bring in decent youngsters, the proof will be if he brings them through and builds his own side.

The board can't afford to get rid of him anyway, this was clearly Gartside's last gamble and I still think it will come off.

We are in 18th place in the second tier of English football and going nowhere fast.

"It's the most long-term plan we've had in my time supporting the club...(etc)."

Great.

But ask yourself, just how desperate does that actually sound....?

Even before we got relegated it was obvious the club needed a complete restructure. Similar to sides like Aston Villa in the premier league now, we need to get rid of all the high earning dross who bring nothing to the first team and start getting the most from the academy.

The mannyroad article detailing how much we've wasted on players is embarrassing and goes to show how poorly run the club has been since Allardyce left. My support of Dougie is based on him approaching the rebuild in the right way, that means bringing youth through and buying smart - i.e. getting high earners off the wage bill and bringing in players who will do a job for us. Case in point, getting Andrews and Sordell off the wage bill to bring in Moritz a good and ruthless decision which the squad has benefited from, moving on SKD and hopefully come the end of the season getting shot of the remaining high earners.

Tactically he can improve, although he's nowhere near as bad as many make out. 4231 is not a defensive formation in any way, what he needs to do is be less cautious in his containment of the opposition. But given a stronger defence I think that will come in time. He hasn't been able to get rid of Mills, Knight or Wheater so far and all are earning very good money so let's see who he replaces one or two of them with come summer.

So it may sound desperate to you at the moment, but it's my opinion and he's shown enough positives to convince me he's worth giving more time to.

He's fucking clueless tactically.

It's ten men behind the ball and hope to hit 'em on the break. That's why we see him shoving Zat Knight up front for the last ten minutes after we've gone behind.

And with our defence that's never going to work, it's a stupid strategy anyway.

It's like watching a Megson team in the Prem but a division down......

Get rid now before he properly fucks it up and we go down another division.

bwfc1874 wrote:Even before we got relegated it was obvious the club needed a complete restructure. Similar to sides like Aston Villa in the premier league now, we need to get rid of all the high earning dross who bring nothing to the first team and start getting the most from the academy.

You talk as though Dougie is going to get rid of the likes of Knight, Ngog, Mills etc and replace them with cheap world beaters.

Firstly, this so called "dross" is still being picked by Dougie week after week, so I'm not convinced he sees them as dross. And of the players Dougie has signed so far, how many have been better than the "dross" already at the club? None I would say.

Give this clown another year and we will be in a far worse position than we are now, as difficult as that sounds.

bwfc1874 wrote:

For what it's worth I agree with Biggie in terms of giving Dougie more time. I think a lot of posters on here have gone way over the top in their criticism of him, I want to give him the next year or so and see if he brings through the talent that he's recruited. 

Easy to give a manager another year from the comfort of your armchair. Try shelling out £30 a game for the next year in the very unlikely chance Dougie will turn things around.

I'm guessing your patience would soon wane.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:Even before we got relegated it was obvious the club needed a complete restructure. Similar to sides like Aston Villa in the premier league now, we need to get rid of all the high earning dross who bring nothing to the first team and start getting the most from the academy.

You talk as though Dougie is going to get rid of the likes of Knight, Ngog, Mills etc and replace them with cheap world beaters.

Firstly, this so called "dross" is still being picked by Dougie week after week, so I'm not convinced he sees them as dross. And of the players Dougie has signed so far, how many have been better than the "dross" already at the club? None I would say.

Give this clown another year and we will be in a far worse position than we are now, as difficult as that sounds.

So far I'd say Dougie's record for players in and out has been good, better than the previous two managers anyway. So I'd be happy to see what he can do if he gets Wheater, Knight, Mills, N'gog, Mears etc out. So far the problem has been more how he's used the players.

Breadman wrote:We are in 18th place in the second tier of English football and going nowhere fast.

"It's the most long-term plan we've had in my time supporting the club...(etc)."

Great.

But ask yourself, just how desperate does that actually sound....?

Has anybody actually got any knowledge of what this plan is outside the club? I'd love to know what it is and I could go easier on my wrists if there was any sense in it?

Biggie wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:I can't find it i think he's taken it down.

It got a copyright warning and was then taken down.

Shame, I'm not taking the piss i agreed with everything in that video.

Can you clarify with a rough outline Hipster of the contents?