Yet another Religious atrocity

I never jest.

Breadman wrote:

The way people are talking, you'd think there was some "Muslim armada" speeding across The Channel, ready to kill us all in our beds for eating cheese burgers.

What have you got against Muslim Armada? I'll send him amessage asking if he is coming across the Channel anytime soon.

https://m.facebook.com/muslim.armada.3?refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fmuslim.armada.3

Breadman wrote:I never jest.

Bloody hell,a Telegraph reader.

Re - Muslim Armada, as he lives in Indonesia, by the time he's rowed all the way here, his weedy little Indonesian arms will be knackered and I bet even I could spark him out, so he's no problem.

And he's a Utd fan - double whammy: Bish, bosh....goodnight!

boltonbonce wrote:

Breadman wrote:I never jest.

Bloody hell,a Telegraph reader.

Nice hat though......

Off for my paper now from the corner shop. Run by a Muslim family by the way.
Lovely people,well liked in the community,and they've never,in twenty years tried to cut my head off.
We should all bear in mind that the religious nutters,however despicable,are part of a tiny minority.

scottjames30 wrote:Im not being funny, but why anyone would go to any of them sort of shitholes would want their head testing, nice places, but!

If they want to kill you stay away, end of.

Even Turkey, id stay clear.

I remember  Kosovo, what a great place, holiday places in some parts,  there for six months, but when on rest, the people were great with us, but let your Guard down and you could become into a trap, end of it was dangerous.

I had to cock my SA80 once or twice when i was there due to them trying to attack a Serb Church.

If it wearn't for all the shit going on, its a great place.

Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco no thanks.
Turkey is is a bit too close to all that shit as well.
Waiting for Warsi to condemn the affair.

Soul Kitchen wrote:

scottjames30 wrote:Im not being funny, but why anyone would go to any of them sort of shitholes would want their head testing, nice places, but!

If they want to kill you stay away, end of.

Even Turkey, id stay clear.

I remember  Kosovo, what a great place, holiday places in some parts,  there for six months, but when on rest, the people were great with us, but let your Guard down and you could become into a trap, end of it was dangerous.

I had to cock my SA80 once or twice when i was there due to them trying to attack a Serb Church.

If it wearn't for all the shit going on, its a great place.

Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco no thanks.
Turkey is is a bit too close to all that shit as well.
Waiting for Warsi to condemn the affair.

.....and the work of IS is done.

Fuck me......

Breadman wrote:What terrifies me is how normally rational people (as opposed to retards like Scott) are so easily taken in by media hype, hyperbole, exaggeration, nonsense and all the other general bullshit that gets spouted around this issue.

The way people are talking, you'd think there was some "Muslim armada" speeding across The Channel, ready to kill us all in our beds for eating cheese burgers.

Everybody needs to calm the fuck down.

I think like i said earlier if more steps where taken to ensure the people coming in are sane then i think people would sleep easier. Unfortunately Every other day something seems to be happening involving non british people. And that's probably just in Bolton.

I'm not having a pop now, Johnny - you're my brother's lad, so I'll love you no matter what but.....

...that's exactly the sort of thinking I'm talking about.

Checking peoples' mental state before letting them in the country?

How would that work?

Your average IS nutter isn't going to rock up carrying an AK and wearing a T-shirt with "I hate Infidels!" on the front, is he?

They're mental, but they're not daft.

And anyway, foreign nutters coming over here isn't the issue, is it?

The 7/7 bombers and the wankers who killed Lee Rigby were home-grown, so this idea of Muslim extremists coming over here to kill us is utter bollocks.

The only way we're going to solve this is by breaking down barriers, not putting up new ones.

(Well, that and stopping invading Muslim countries under the shady pretext of delivering freedom to their people or hunting down terrorists when we all know that the real motivation is purely economic - Muslim countries with no oil reserves never get "liberated from tyranny" do they...?)

Breaking down barriers isnt going to work. Its well past that now. I was in rusholme picking something up from work and was parked up a side street. Walking back to my car three asian lads said i couldnt walk that way and id have to walk round. There reaponse to me asking why. "Because they fucking said so!" Needless to say i went that way anyway with them following me to my car. One example i can give it off many in my own personal experiences. Checking mental state may not be the way forward but something has to be done. And im not just saying with immigrants either. Like i said in my earlier post prisons need to be a deterrent. Not an excuse to go and hang out with jaylad and lift some weights and play some playstation while getting three square meals a day

y2johnny wrote:Breaking down barriers isnt going to work.  

I'm walking away from this now before it gets too serious because that statement both troubles and worries me, if I'm honest.

boltonbonce wrote:Off for my paper now from the corner shop. Run by a Muslim family by the way.
Lovely people,well liked in the community,and they've never,in twenty years tried to cut my head off.
We should all bear in mind that the religious nutters,however despicable,are part of a tiny minority.

 well said Boncey

Sad to see the attacks have had their desired effect on a couple on this thread. More needs to be done to address the radicalisation process and to openly disputed the reasons extremists give for their ideology. Arming ourselves to the teeth and 'cracking down' has fostered their views we need a completely different approach.

I went on the Mail's website to have a look at the comments and was so annoyed by the knee-jerk bollocks being spouted in some of them, I registered an account and set about offering my counter-opinion.

I wasn't offensive, nor was I abusive.

However, not one of them has passed their moderation test and they remain unpublished.

Apparently, if you're "Brit Ste 94" from Sevenoaks, it's perfectly fine to post "We need to bomb Tunisia and all the other middle east countrys (??? sic) and kill all these crazy nutters before it's to late" but pointing out that Tunisia is actually quite a moderate, generally secular, progressive thinking country is deemed offensive.

Obviously I need to get on-board with the popular narrative.

Who needs Fox News when you've got the Daily Fail......?

Breadman wrote:

y2johnny wrote:Breaking down barriers isnt going to work.  

I'm walking away from this now before it gets too serious because that statement both troubles and worries me, if I'm honest.

My two very very good friends who are muslim agree with me. When you get into a community where they dont like to mix and look down upon you being in"their" area you have little to no chance of helping them to integrate. I'd be all for it breaders. I don't hate anyone at all. But the longer it goes on and the more attacks happen etc etc its ten steps further away from ever being able to live peacefully.

Breadman wrote:I went on the Mail's website to have a look at the comments and was so annoyed by the knee-jerk bollocks being spouted in some of them, I registered an account and set about offering my counter-opinion.

I wasn't offensive, nor was I abusive.

However, not one of them has passed their moderation test and they remain unpublished.

Apparently, if you're "Brit Ste 94" from Sevenoaks, it's perfectly fine to post "We need to bomb Tunisia and all the other middle east countrys (??? sic) and kill all these crazy nutters before it's to late" but pointing out that Tunisia is actually quite a moderate, generally secular, progressive thinking country is deemed offensive.

Obviously I need to get on-board with the popular narrative.

Who needs Fox News when you've got the Daily Fail......?

Just so you know i never have and never will read the daily mail (is the faith restored a little bit now?)

y2johnny wrote:

Breadman wrote:

y2johnny wrote:Breaking down barriers isnt going to work.  

I'm walking away from this now before it gets too serious because that statement both troubles and worries me, if I'm honest.

My two very very good friends who are muslim agree with me.  When you get into a community where they dont like to mix and look down upon you being in"their" area you have little to no chance of helping them to integrate.  I'd be all for it breaders. I don't hate anyone at all. But the longer it goes on and the more attacks happen etc etc its ten steps further away from ever being able to live peacefully.

Back in my home town my neighbour was telling me about how many 'pakis' were moving into the road (they were Indian but suppose that's a minor detail) and how another of our neighbours had refused to sell to anyone who wasn't white because he wanted to make sure his house was going to somebody who'd 'take care of it properly'. Racist, small minded idiots exist on both sides, unfortunately it's their views and narrative which dominate. That needs to change because that's what's making things worse.

y2johnny wrote:

Breadman wrote:

y2johnny wrote:Breaking down barriers isnt going to work.  

I'm walking away from this now before it gets too serious because that statement both troubles and worries me, if I'm honest.

My two very very good friends who are muslim agree with me.  When you get into a community where they dont like to mix and look down upon you being in"their" area you have little to no chance of helping them to integrate.  I'd be all for it breaders. I don't hate anyone at all. But the longer it goes on and the more attacks happen etc etc its ten steps further away from ever being able to live peacefully.

So we just give up on trying to break down barriers, engaging with Muslim community leaders and enlisting their help in trying to stop young, disenfranchised Muslims from being radicalised, do we?

Violence, intolerance, hatred, division and mistrust simply begets the same in return.

It's not a new notion and it's hardly ground breaking thinking.

If we really are serious about tackling this problem, we need to devise a strategy for cutting IS off at the knees and sadly, anything that involves guns, tanks, bombs and planes is simply playing into their hands because that's what they want us to do.

Kill ten and twenty more are instantly radicalised and are queuing up to strap on a vest and take their place.

There's no simple answer because we can't negotiate directly with IS - they're simply not interested and have nothing to gain by entering to talks with the West.

We need to find a way to stop young Muslims feeling the need to go off and learn how to kill Westerners in a camp somewhere in Syria or Iraq.

And that must involve engaging with the wider Muslim community and getting its leaders to openly denounce IS and convince them to stop doing it.

And that process has already started in earnest.

Giving up on trying to break down barriers is the last thing we should be doing, mate.