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You'd Have To Be Dim To Vote Anything But Tory

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okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Natasha Whittam wrote:
okocha wrote:
Don't forget as well that the Tories supported  Labour's decision to get involved militarily. Thatch was not exactly shy of war either, was she?! Falklands, anybody?

As regards the economic crisis, I think you'll find that the banks were largely to blame!

Argentina invaded the Falklands, a UK island. So we had to kick them out.

Iraq and Afghanistan were nothing to do with us.
Why nothing to do with us? Are we not all fellow members of the human race?

Would you not want support from others if you were powerless against your country's leaders intent on torturing and murdering you and your peers?

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

If you're going to be an interventionist state why pick and choose there are many countries around the world in need.

and one of them happens to be Iraq.... still. Funny that.

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Hipster_Nebula wrote:


actually the only countries that went into Iraq were us, the americans, Australia and as bush said "don't forget Poland!" 

going into Afghanistan was the seen to be the right thing to do because of 9/11 but it soon became clear it was a vendetta with absolutely no planning or genuine motives.
"The war in Afghanistan is the period in which the United States invaded the country ...In 2003, NATO assumed leadership of ISAF, with troops from 43 countries.....!
And " The invasion of Iraq began on 20 March 2003. The U.S., joined by the United Kingdom and several coalition allies, launched a "shock and awe" surprise attack 


Get your facts straight please, Hipster!

wessy

wessy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Natasha Whittam wrote:
okocha wrote:
Don't forget as well that the Tories supported  Labour's decision to get involved militarily. Thatch was not exactly shy of war either, was she?! Falklands, anybody?

As regards the economic crisis, I think you'll find that the banks were largely to blame!

Argentina invaded the Falklands, a UK island. So we had to kick them out.

Iraq and Afghanistan were nothing to do with us.
Neither were Poland or France what's your point, sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture. and stand up.

bwfc71

bwfc71
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

Natasha Whittam wrote:
bwfc1874 wrote:

That's an unbelievably stupid way of looking at it.

Love it. You're calling me stupid yet you're the one voting for a party who the last time they were in power took us to war and almost bankrupted the country.

Still, I'm sure it's a well informed decision.

Actually it was the Banks that almost bankrupted the country along with all other major "Western" countries with their sub-prime buying and selling.  Basically making invisible credit for bad debt!

And it were these Banking rules that were first relaxed under Margaret Thatcher and loosened even further under John Major! 

And as actaully correct post - the Food banks have always been around.  they increased under Margaret Thatcher and John Major, reduced under Labout and vastly increased under Cameron - in fact records show that there has not been this level of Food banks/charity since the Victoria era - not even during World War rationing was it this bad!

Copper Dragon

Copper Dragon
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

Soul Kitchen wrote:For fucks sake you live where the hills have eyes and you're going to vote tory? You must be the only living example of a brain transplant case!!!


Follow the thread daft lad.

wessy

wessy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

People can bleat on all they want to, by saying that they are all the same etc.

But fundamentally the Conservatives kneel to the god of cash, they believe in monetary controls, they jerk off on the strength off the economy, they believe in divide and rule. They want to strip away the rights of the working class, so that you and i will accept shit hours, with no contract and no pay rise worth talking about for several years. They do this by setting us against each others (scroungers) versus working people and legislate to remove your rights.

They pretend that we should be overjoyed that entrepreneurs (hate that term) grace the earth to allow us to kneel at there feet. In short they are Greedy, selfish, bastards that would sell there Grandma given the chance. But they don't forget there own, tax breaks for millionaires whilst at the same time austerity for those on benefit, if it wasn't true you could laugh at the bloody cheek.

The Liberals always everyone second favourite organisation, Socialist at heart, democratic to the core really good eggs?, then 2010 comes along and they sell there souls for power, not with a natural alliance with Labour (Shirley Williams gang of 4 etc) no they get in to bed with the enemy they have no natural policy that can support a conservative minority government, but why let principal get in the way of power. They will pay dearly for such a dishonest alliance.

Labour allinated there own supporters, in Scotland due to the Yes campaign that will be costly,and in England by moving to far to the right. Many blame New Labour but not me, they had been unelectable under foot and co, Blair was politically astute he knew that  power would only come by gaining the middle ground and it worked. 

I kissed the air the day Blair entered downing street and rid us of the conceited and by then corrupt Tory party. Ed Milliband may not look like an Hollywood star, but i do believe that he wants a fairer society and would not heap misery on those least able to cope. For the reasons stated that alone is good enough for me.

In all honesty i despise everything conservatives stand for, however i am a democrat and would sooner someone who believes in those values vote, rather than those who simply can't be bothered and fail to cast a vote. This is an insult to those who gave everything to ensure we all could vote.
So get off your arse and vote.

Finally those who say "politics that doesn't effect me"  You are stupid.

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Excellent post, Wessy!

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Well said Wessy. I intend to wear a hanky on my head out of respect.

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

It wasn't a good post because it was make believe.

Wessy seems to be suggesting that Labour MPs are all salt-of-the-earth people who want to make the world a better place when, in fact, they are in it for exactly the same reasons as their Tory counterparts.

wessy

wessy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Its a great look Bonce, you can carry it off, cheers Okocha

Nat i never said that at all. I simply point out what the parties fundamental beliefs are. If the cap fits ? and what is make believe about anything i said.

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

bwfc71 wrote:
Natasha Whittam wrote:
bwfc1874 wrote:

That's an unbelievably stupid way of looking at it.

Love it. You're calling me stupid yet you're the one voting for a party who the last time they were in power took us to war and almost bankrupted the country.

Still, I'm sure it's a well informed decision.

Actually it was the Banks that almost bankrupted the country along with all other major "Western" countries with their sub-prime buying and selling.  Basically making invisible credit for bad debt!

And it were these Banking rules that were first relaxed under Margaret Thatcher and loosened even further under John Major! 


And the banking rules were all but abolished by Gordon Brown - remember "light touch regulation".

bwfc71

bwfc71
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

You'd Have To Be Dim To Vote Anything But Tory - Page 10 Politi10



These are the parties in a nutshell and not one of them are really worth voting for - I will never vote UKIP, so its going to be a toss-up between the next 3 or may just vote Greens for a laugh!

I like some of policies from each party (except UKIP) and don't like some policies from each party (including UKIP) but there is not one party which I could vote for as I don't believe their promises enough to vote for them.

I will use my vote and on the day will make that choice but next 5 weeks are going to be tough as to which one I truly believe will do the best for the country and most importantly do the best for me.

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

wessy wrote:People can bleat on all they want to, by saying that they are all the same etc.

But fundamentally the Conservatives kneel to the god of cash, they believe in monetary controls, they jerk off on the strength off the economy, they believe in divide and rule. They want to strip away the rights of the working class, so that you and i will accept shit hours, with no contract and no pay rise worth talking about for several years. They do this by setting us against each others (scroungers) versus working people and legislate to remove your rights.

They pretend that we should be overjoyed that entrepreneurs (hate that term) grace the earth to allow us to kneel at there feet. In short they are Greedy, selfish, bastards that would sell there Grandma given the chance. But they don't forget there own, tax breaks for millionaires whilst at the same time austerity for those on benefit, if it wasn't true you could laugh at the bloody cheek.

The Liberals always everyone second favourite organisation, Socialist at heart, democratic to the core really good eggs?, then 2010 comes along and they sell there souls for power, not with a natural alliance with Labour (Shirley Williams gang of 4 etc) no they get in to bed with the enemy they have no natural policy that can support a conservative minority government, but why let principal get in the way of power. They will pay dearly for such a dishonest alliance.

Labour allinated there own supporters, in Scotland due to the Yes campaign that will be costly,and in England by moving to far to the right. Many blame New Labour but not me, they had been unelectable under foot and co, Blair was politically astute he knew that  power would only come by gaining the middle ground and it worked. 

I kissed the air the day Blair entered downing street and rid us of the conceited and by then corrupt Tory party. Ed Milliband may not look like an Hollywood star, but i do believe that he wants a fairer society and would not heap misery on those least able to cope. For the reasons stated that alone is good enough for me.

In all honesty i despise everything conservatives stand for, however i am a democrat and would sooner someone who believes in those values vote, rather than those who simply can't be bothered and fail to cast a vote. This is an insult to those who gave everything to ensure we all could vote.
So get off your arse and vote.

Finally those who say "politics that doesn't effect me"  You are stupid.

Yes I was very happy when Blair first got elected. Unfortunately he then turned into a Tory and I felt betrayed.

bwfc71

bwfc71
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

xmiles wrote:
bwfc71 wrote:
Natasha Whittam wrote:
bwfc1874 wrote:

That's an unbelievably stupid way of looking at it.

Love it. You're calling me stupid yet you're the one voting for a party who the last time they were in power took us to war and almost bankrupted the country.

Still, I'm sure it's a well informed decision.

Actually it was the Banks that almost bankrupted the country along with all other major "Western" countries with their sub-prime buying and selling.  Basically making invisible credit for bad debt!

And it were these Banking rules that were first relaxed under Margaret Thatcher and loosened even further under John Major! 


And the banking rules were all but abolished by Gordon Brown - remember "light touch regulation".

But 90% of the regulations were undone by Thatcher and Major.  The rot, gambling and debt had already set in by the time Ultra-Conservative Labour changed the final 10% of the regulations!


As actually stated in Farage's book when on one occasion in a morning he lost 6 million in a broker deal and then spent rest of the working day in the pub getting drunk (and that was during Major's era!)

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

okocha wrote:
Hipster_Nebula wrote:


actually the only countries that went into Iraq were us, the americans, Australia and as bush said "don't forget Poland!" 

going into Afghanistan was the seen to be the right thing to do because of 9/11 but it soon became clear it was a vendetta with absolutely no planning or genuine motives.
"The war in Afghanistan is the period in which the United States invaded the country ...In 2003, NATO assumed leadership of ISAF, with troops from 43 countries.....!
And " The invasion of Iraq began on 20 March 2003. The U.S., joined by the United Kingdom and several coalition allies, launched a "shock and awe" surprise attack 


Get your facts straight please, Hipster!

I do have my facts right. 4 countries invaded Iraq. You can call that several in bold letters if you want but it'll still be 4 when you wake up. 

Kurds and Iraqis (who are doing all the fighting for us now) are given an ultimatum. Support us or die. 

I didn't even mention the numbers in Afghanistan if you read it again.

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Natasha Whittam wrote:It wasn't a good post because it was make believe.

Wessy seems to be suggesting that Labour MPs are all salt-of-the-earth people who want to make the world a better place when, in fact, they are in it for exactly the same reasons as their Tory counterparts.


:clap:

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin

My view for what it is worth is that politics is an arena that you have to work within but it doesn't necessarily stop you from thriving.

I've no say in if we end up with a Conservative government, or a Labour one, or a coalition of some sort.

I can't influence what the tax rate will be, or if we go to war in some middle eastern country or other, or if we allow loads of east europeans into the country or if we vote to leave the EU - so I've learned not to worry about it.

What I can do though is use whatever bit of brain I've been given, whatever heart that beats in my chest and whatever determination I have in my soul and do the best for me and my family.

I've worked hard, I've got a good education the hard way by holding down a job during the day whilst doing years of night school paid by myself, to better my chances as I came from a poor family - everyone I knew were poor - just the way it was.

I've seen plenty over the years take the piss at work - and maybe because its my age I think it gets worse as the years go by.

I was smart enough to earn myself a chance and when I finally got it, I worked damned hard at keeping it and carry on moving up.

I've never forgot where I came from and I've never shafted anybody in my life, I've always played fair and given respect even when I was probably a fool to do so at times.

I've had set backs along the way but I simply worked harder to overcome them.

Nobody gave me anything, I used whatever I was entitled to and worked to find the money to pay forwhatever I was not entitled too.

Of course politicians can and do put unwanted barriers in your way - but so to does life - you simply have to find a way to overcome them.

I was born and raised a socialist and probably still am at my core but I've never been militant with my employers, even when they did exploit me - I simply saw it as a time to move on - even taking sideways or backwards moves in order to move forward overall.

In the end I even became an employer of people, who I've always treated honestly and fairly - again at times when I knew they were trying to play me as a mug.

I'm not bitter or angry for the times that were hard, neither am I smug or selfsatisfactory that I made something of myself.

At the end of the day only you can make something of yourself.  It's no point blaming others for the position you find yourself in.

I'm nothing special, I certainly didn't set out in life to have aspirations of earning millions, I never dreamt I'd have a massive career change relatively late in my career - so if I can do it, so can anyone else.

So whoever end up in power in early May won't effect me very much.  Yes I might end up paying more tax - or maybe even less, I might have a NHS to go to or I might have to pay to go privately, I might have Farage's Romainian family moving in next door or we might be on our way out of the EU - but I can't do anything about any of that.

What I can do is continue to put enough away for mine and my familys future and thank my lucky stars that I've depended on myself and not my politican to look after me!



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Boggersbelief

Boggersbelief
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Nat, why did you capitalise every word in your title?

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Boggersbelief wrote:Nat, why did you capitalise every word in your title?

Because I Could.

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