You'd Have To Be Dim To Vote Anything But Tory

Boggersbelief wrote:Nat, why did you capitalise every word in your title?

Copper Dragon wrote:

Soul Kitchen wrote:For fucks sake you live where the hills have eyes and you're going to vote tory? You must be the only living example of a brain transplant case!!!

Follow the thread daft lad.

xmiles wrote:

wessy wrote:People can bleat on all they want to, by saying that they are all the same etc.

But fundamentally the Conservatives kneel to the god of cash, they believe in monetary controls, they jerk off on the strength off the economy, they believe in divide and rule. They want to strip away the rights of the working class, so that you and i will accept shit hours, with no contract and no pay rise worth talking about for several years. They do this by setting us against each others (scroungers) versus working people and legislate to remove your rights.

They pretend that we should be overjoyed that entrepreneurs (hate that term) grace the earth to allow us to kneel at there feet. In short they are Greedy, selfish, bastards that would sell there Grandma given the chance. But they don't forget there own, tax breaks for millionaires whilst at the same time austerity for those on benefit, if it wasn't true you could laugh at the bloody cheek.

The Liberals always everyone second favourite organisation, Socialist at heart, democratic to the core really good eggs?, then 2010 comes along and they sell there souls for power, not with a natural alliance with Labour (Shirley Williams gang of 4 etc) no they get in to bed with the enemy they have no natural policy that can support a conservative minority government, but why let principal get in the way of power. They will pay dearly for such a dishonest alliance.

Labour allinated there own supporters, in Scotland due to the Yes campaign that will be costly,and in England by moving to far to the right. Many blame New Labour but not me, they had been unelectable under foot and co, Blair was politically astute he knew that  power would only come by gaining the middle ground and it worked. 

I kissed the air the day Blair entered downing street and rid us of the conceited and by then corrupt Tory party. Ed Milliband may not look like an Hollywood star, but i do believe that he wants a fairer society and would not heap misery on those least able to cope. For the reasons stated that alone is good enough for me.

In all honesty i despise everything conservatives stand for, however i am a democrat and would sooner someone who believes in those values vote, rather than those who simply can't be bothered and fail to cast a vote. This is an insult to those who gave everything to ensure we all could vote.
So get off your arse and vote.

Finally those who say "politics that doesn't effect me"  You are stupid.

Yes I was very happy when Blair first got elected. Unfortunately he then turned into a Tory and I felt betrayed.

Sluffy wrote:My view for what it is worth is that politics is an arena that you have to work within but it doesn't necessarily stop you from thriving.

I've no say in if we end up with a Conservative government, or a Labour one, or a coalition of some sort.

I can't influence what the tax rate will be, or if we go to war in some middle eastern country or other, or if we allow loads of east europeans into the country or if we vote to leave the EU - so I've learned not to worry about it.

What I can do though is use whatever bit of brain I've been given, whatever heart that beats in my chest and whatever determination I have in my soul and do the best for me and my family.

I've worked hard, I've got a good education the hard way by holding down a job during the day whilst doing years of night school paid by myself, to better my chances as I came from a poor family - everyone I knew were poor - just the way it was.

I've seen plenty over the years take the piss at work - and maybe because its my age I think it gets worse as the years go by.

I was smart enough to earn myself a chance and when I finally got it, I worked damned hard at keeping it and carry on moving up.

I've never forgot where I came from and I've never shafted anybody in my life, I've always played fair and given respect even when I was probably a fool to do so at times.

I've had set backs along the way but I simply worked harder to overcome them.

Nobody gave me anything, I used whatever I was entitled to and worked to find the money to pay forwhatever I was not entitled too.

Of course politicians can and do put unwanted barriers in your way - but so to does life - you simply have to find a way to overcome them.

I was born and raised a socialist and probably still am at my core but I've never been militant with my employers, even when they did exploit me - I simply saw it as a time to move on - even taking sideways or backwards moves in order to move forward overall.

In the end I even became an employer of people, who I've always treated honestly and fairly - again at times when I knew they were trying to play me as a mug.

I'm not bitter or angry for the times that were hard, neither am I smug or selfsatisfactory that I made something of myself.

At the end of the day only you can make something of yourself.  It's no point blaming others for the position you find yourself in.

I'm nothing special, I certainly didn't set out in life to have aspirations of earning millions, I never dreamt I'd have a massive career change relatively late in my career - so if I can do it, so can anyone else.

So whoever end up in power in early May won't effect me very much.  Yes I might end up paying more tax - or maybe even less, I might have a NHS to go to or I might have to pay to go privately, I might have Farage's Romainian family moving in next door or we might be on our way out of the EU - but I can't do anything about any of that.

What I can do is continue to put enough away for mine and my familys future and thank my lucky stars that I've depended on myself and not my politican to look after me!

Breadman wrote:The betrayal under Blair is the whole reason why my faith in the modern Labour Party has wavered.

I honestly cried tears of joy like a small child when Blair got in, only to have the realisation dawn over the next few years that the Labour Party I had campaigned for and supported all my adult life had been consigned to history.

New Labour turned out to be nothing more than Tory Lite.

I fully understand why they did it - the old party was unelectable and something needed to be done but I just think they went too far.

And their majority was so huge, they had no real opposition in Parliament and could do what they wanted and that is never a good thing.

And I'm not buying the: "Blair was a good man, driven by his conscience and beliefs" argument.

He's a self-serving opportunist with nice teeth - nothing more.

The phrase "New Labour" has been banned at Brewer's Green and with good reason.

I'm voting Labour but without the sense of optimism that I used to have.

I just hope Ed can prove me wrong and rekindle my relationship with the Labour Party.

rammywhite wrote:

Sluffy wrote:My view for what it is worth is that politics is an arena that you have to work within but it doesn't necessarily stop you from thriving.

I've no say in if we end up with a Conservative government, or a Labour one, or a coalition of some sort.

I can't influence what the tax rate will be, or if we go to war in some middle eastern country or other, or if we allow loads of east europeans into the country or if we vote to leave the EU - so I've learned not to worry about it.

What I can do though is use whatever bit of brain I've been given, whatever heart that beats in my chest and whatever determination I have in my soul and do the best for me and my family.

I've worked hard, I've got a good education the hard way by holding down a job during the day whilst doing years of night school paid by myself, to better my chances as I came from a poor family - everyone I knew were poor - just the way it was.

I've seen plenty over the years take the piss at work - and maybe because its my age I think it gets worse as the years go by.

I was smart enough to earn myself a chance and when I finally got it, I worked damned hard at keeping it and carry on moving up.

I've never forgot where I came from and I've never shafted anybody in my life, I've always played fair and given respect even when I was probably a fool to do so at times.

I've had set backs along the way but I simply worked harder to overcome them.

Nobody gave me anything, I used whatever I was entitled to and worked to find the money to pay forwhatever I was not entitled too.

Of course politicians can and do put unwanted barriers in your way - but so to does life - you simply have to find a way to overcome them.

I was born and raised a socialist and probably still am at my core but I've never been militant with my employers, even when they did exploit me - I simply saw it as a time to move on - even taking sideways or backwards moves in order to move forward overall.

In the end I even became an employer of people, who I've always treated honestly and fairly - again at times when I knew they were trying to play me as a mug.

I'm not bitter or angry for the times that were hard, neither am I smug or selfsatisfactory that I made something of myself.

At the end of the day only you can make something of yourself.  It's no point blaming others for the position you find yourself in.

I'm nothing special, I certainly didn't set out in life to have aspirations of earning millions, I never dreamt I'd have a massive career change relatively late in my career - so if I can do it, so can anyone else.

So whoever end up in power in early May won't effect me very much.  Yes I might end up paying more tax - or maybe even less, I might have a NHS to go to or I might have to pay to go privately, I might have Farage's Romainian family moving in next door or we might be on our way out of the EU - but I can't do anything about any of that.

What I can do is continue to put enough away for mine and my familys future and thank my lucky stars that I've depended on myself and not my politican to look after me!

Well said Sluffy. I could have written this about myself. As kids ( 4 of us) we had nothing and by sheer hard work against the odds all 4 of us are now comfortable  -and I'm the only one left working as I choose to as I really enjoy what I do.
What the state can do to improve people's lives is at best marginal. They can't make a great deal of difference since our economy doesn't exist in a vacuum-its determined by the world macroeconomy. Issues such as interest rates,oil prices,foreign exchange rates even  real employment levels are determined by world macro events. A UK government can only influence things marginally. I don't really care which party gets in- if its the Tories I might be marginally better off. If its Labour ( and big Alex pulling Eds strings) then I'll be marginally worse off. 
I can see that for those who are desperately poor Labour might improve things, so, being like Sluffy at heart a socialist,then that might be a good thing. However as the wealth and welfare of the country depends on efficient capitalism to create real jobs, pay corporation tax and allow people to work their way out of poverty( as I did) then the Tories might be a better bet,
But in reality I don't really care who gets in.
I'm more concerned about the potentially malicious impact that SNP with their anti English rhetoric,the Ulster parties with their blatant sectarianism and UKIP with their xenophobia might create.
It won't be the major party that is the issue- its the nutters that they get in bed with who will be the problem.
You want a prognosis? Within a year we'll be having another General Election

I won't be watching the 7 way debate tonight as its a nonsensical event to have 7 of them all shouting at each other promising that,vote for them, come May 8th we'll all be young, beautiful and fabulously rich. It'll be a pack of job seekers all lying through their teeth to get me to put an X against their name on May7th

Soul Kitchen wrote:

Copper Dragon wrote:

Soul Kitchen wrote:For fucks sake you live where the hills have eyes and you're going to vote tory? You must be the only living example of a brain transplant case!!!

Follow the thread daft lad.

I am following the thread. Voting tory in the land of the living dead!!

Copper Dragon wrote:

Soul Kitchen wrote:

Copper Dragon wrote:

Soul Kitchen wrote:For fucks sake you live where the hills have eyes and you're going to vote tory? You must be the only living example of a brain transplant case!!!

Follow the thread daft lad.

I am following the thread. Voting tory in the land of the living dead!!

See post 138 and then shush your cack.

Sluffy wrote:My view for what it is worth is that politics is an arena that you have to work within but it doesn't necessarily stop you from thriving.

I've no say in if we end up with a Conservative government, or a Labour one, or a coalition of some sort.

I can't influence what the tax rate will be, or if we go to war in some middle eastern country or other, or if we allow loads of east europeans into the country or if we vote to leave the EU - so I've learned not to worry about it.

What I can do though is use whatever bit of brain I've been given, whatever heart that beats in my chest and whatever determination I have in my soul and do the best for me and my family.

I've worked hard, I've got a good education the hard way by holding down a job during the day whilst doing years of night school paid by myself, to better my chances as I came from a poor family - everyone I knew were poor - just the way it was.

I've seen plenty over the years take the piss at work - and maybe because its my age I think it gets worse as the years go by.

I was smart enough to earn myself a chance and when I finally got it, I worked damned hard at keeping it and carry on moving up.

I've never forgot where I came from and I've never shafted anybody in my life, I've always played fair and given respect even when I was probably a fool to do so at times.

I've had set backs along the way but I simply worked harder to overcome them.

Nobody gave me anything, I used whatever I was entitled to and worked to find the money to pay forwhatever I was not entitled too.

Of course politicians can and do put unwanted barriers in your way - but so to does life - you simply have to find a way to overcome them.

I was born and raised a socialist and probably still am at my core but I've never been militant with my employers, even when they did exploit me - I simply saw it as a time to move on - even taking sideways or backwards moves in order to move forward overall.

In the end I even became an employer of people, who I've always treated honestly and fairly - again at times when I knew they were trying to play me as a mug.

I'm not bitter or angry for the times that were hard, neither am I smug or selfsatisfactory that I made something of myself.

At the end of the day only you can make something of yourself.  It's no point blaming others for the position you find yourself in.

I'm nothing special, I certainly didn't set out in life to have aspirations of earning millions, I never dreamt I'd have a massive career change relatively late in my career - so if I can do it, so can anyone else.

So whoever end up in power in early May won't effect me very much.  Yes I might end up paying more tax - or maybe even less, I might have a NHS to go to or I might have to pay to go privately, I might have Farage's Romainian family moving in next door or we might be on our way out of the EU - but I can't do anything about any of that.

What I can do is continue to put enough away for mine and my familys future and thank my lucky stars that I've depended on myself and not my politican to look after me!

Breadman wrote:The betrayal under Blair is the whole reason why my faith in the modern Labour Party has wavered.

I honestly cried tears of joy like a small child when Blair got in, only to have the realisation dawn over the next few years that the Labour Party I had campaigned for and supported all my adult life had been consigned to history.

New Labour turned out to be nothing more than Tory Lite.

I fully understand why they did it - the old party was unelectable and something needed to be done but I just think they went too far.

And their majority was so huge, they had no real opposition in Parliament and could do what they wanted and that is never a good thing.

And I'm not buying the: "Blair was a good man, driven by his conscience and beliefs" argument.

He's a self-serving opportunist with nice teeth - nothing more.

The phrase "New Labour" has been banned at Brewer's Green and with good reason.

I'm voting Labour but without the sense of optimism that I used to have.

I just hope Ed can prove me wrong and rekindle my relationship with the Labour Party.

Soul Kitchen wrote:Jake McHale , Southern softy on a Northern numpties site. How does that work?

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

okocha wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:


actually the only countries that went into Iraq were us, the americans, Australia and as bush said "don't forget Poland!" 

going into Afghanistan was the seen to be the right thing to do because of 9/11 but it soon became clear it was a vendetta with absolutely no planning or genuine motives.

"The war in Afghanistan is the period in which the United States invaded the country ...In 2003, NATO assumed leadership of ISAF, with troops from 43 countries.....!
And " The invasion of Iraq began on 20 March 2003. The U.S., joined by the United Kingdom and several coalition allies, launched a "shock and awe" surprise attack 


Get your facts straight please, Hipster!

I do have my facts right. 4 countries invaded Iraq. You can call that several in bold letters if you want but it'll still be 4 when you wake up. 

Kurds and Iraqis (who are doing all the fighting for us now) are given an ultimatum. Support us or die. 

I didn't even mention the numbers in Afghanistan if you read it again.