Brexit negotiations

Bread2.0 wrote:There will always be a welcome in the spare bedroom for you and yours, Glos.

He's grooming you Glos, don't fall for it. You'll be handcuffed to the bed wearing a rubber gimp mask before you can say 'Brexit'.

gloswhite wrote:The question at the time was whether we wanted to remain or not. I doubt very much whether people considered how to vote, depending on whether the government was capable of negotiating a favourable result. It was more personal than that. 

Therein lies the problem. Most people didn't and still don't know what they were voting for and it's pretty apparent the Leavers weren't necessarily voting for the same thing - so it's inevitable that they can't all be satisfied. 
I heard some very bravado comments at the time about how the EU was going to roll over and the rest of the world form an orderly queue to do trade with the UK because - obviously - the UK economy is so great. If people believed that I suspect the quality of our negotiators was never a consideration for them. Some I've spoken to fully expected the world to be grovelling at our feet by now.

Imagine all the brexit lot when they can't get their flights to Benidorm 

Norpig wrote:Imagine all the brexit lot when they can't get their flights to Benidorm 

Exactly.

I've just had that conversation with my (Leave voting) in laws.

They're excitedly preparing to go over and spend a month at our new place in a few weeks and I've just shown them the link I posted.

Crestfallen, they said "But we didn't vote for that!"

"Ah, but you did, Reginald" said I. "You just didn't realise it. Because you voted for something about which you knew fuck all. And I tried telling you this at the time but you wouldn't have it, would you....?"

And that's the nub.

Bread2.0 wrote:"Ah, but you did, Reginald" said I. "You just didn't realise it. Because you voted for something about which you knew fuck all. And I tried telling you this at the time but you wouldn't have it, would you....?"

To be fair, most people that know you do the exact opposite of what you tell them.

The only surprising thing about the lack of progress in these negotiations is the fact that people are surprised by the lack of progress. Did all you brexit fans think it was going to be easy? Do you really think we are going to be able to get a trade deal without agreeing to pay anywhere between £50bn and £100bn?

Course they did xmiles, they thought and still think we can walk out without paying a penny and that countries are going to queue up to do deals with us.

Well they believed that £350m a week bullshit.

The most ridiculous thing i've seen on my facebook feed is someone shared a link to one of those Britain First type groups saying something along the lines of we paid for 2 world wars so there's your payment 

Norpig wrote:The most ridiculous thing i've seen on my facebook feed is someone shared a link to one of those Britain First type groups saying something along the lines of we paid for 2 world wars so there's your payment 

I thought it was the Americans that won those wars?

wanderlust wrote:

Norpig wrote:The most ridiculous thing i've seen on my facebook feed is someone shared a link to one of those Britain First type groups saying something along the lines of we paid for 2 world wars so there's your payment 

I thought it was the Americans that won those wars?

Actually,it was Audie Murphy.

The Americans did win those wars. They made more money out of us, at a time we couldn't afford it, than anyone else. 

I was in Lexington a few years ago, and they actually have a 'museum' lauding their efforts in supplying, and charging the UK and other desperate countries.

Bread2.0 wrote:There will always be a welcome in the spare bedroom for you and yours, Glos.

Thanks Breaders.

I don't know how long it will be before I get there, as I'm thinking of hiring a dinghy when I get to one of the islands off their coast, casting myself adrift, and claiming asylum. I'll be sure of a warm welcome, and all the benefits that the country can give me. (unless I drift on to the Catalonian coast, and then anything goes )

gloswhite wrote:The Americans did win those wars. They made more money out of us, at a time we couldn't afford it, than anyone else. 

I was in Lexington a few years ago, and they actually have a 'museum' lauding their efforts in supplying, and charging the UK and other desperate countries.

Very true glos.

And nothing has changed. How easy is it going to be to get a decent and fair trade deal with America? Just look at what they have done to Bombardier when Boeing itself receives billions of dollars of subsidies from U.S. governments at the federal, municipal and state levels.

Agreed, and we've gone very quiet on that front. 
The Americans have always prided themselves on their business acumen, attitude, and 'America first' approach, and I believe the push for independent trading relations with the US will not be as wonderful as some think. i think it will be OK overall, but it will also be painful for some. They are very hard negotiators, probably why Trump wants us to sign up as soon as we can.

Just gonna leave this here....

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/pound-to-euro-conversion-rate-plummets-eu-brexit_uk_59df4a5ee4b0eb18af06712e

In May 2016 (just before the referendum) the rate was £1 : 1.3 Euros.

Are you going to bang on about this forever?

You need a hobby.

Natasha Whittam wrote:Are you going to bang on about this forever?

You need a hobby.

I've got one - Opposing Brexit.

Bread2.0 wrote:

Natasha Whittam wrote:Are you going to bang on about this forever?

You need a hobby.

I've got one - Opposing Brexit.

You need a new one then.

I've got a hobby Breaders. Come and join us.