Brexit negotiations

Is this what "taking back control" and "parliamentary sovereignty" looks like?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-studies-economic-damage-vote-mps-force-latest-a8032311.html

If it is, I'm all for it.

Bread2.0 wrote:Is this what "taking back control" and "parliamentary sovereignty" looks like?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-studies-economic-damage-vote-mps-force-latest-a8032311.html

If it is, I'm all for it.

There may well be 58 secret Government reports predicting damage to 88% of the economy, but doubtless the PM will refuse to release them on the grounds that brexcrement means brexcrement

Worrying trend.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-41838426

boltonbonce wrote:Worrying trend.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-41838426

Yes - but we'll have full control of an NHS without nurses.

wanderlust wrote:

Bread2.0 wrote:Is this what "taking back control" and "parliamentary sovereignty" looks like?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-studies-economic-damage-vote-mps-force-latest-a8032311.html

If it is, I'm all for it.

There may well be 58 secret Government reports predicting damage to 88% of the economy, but doubtless the PM will refuse to release them on the grounds that brexcrement means brexcrement

They're apparently trying to argue the toss over redacting anything which may be deemed prejudicial to our negotiating team's chances.

And they want to be the ones who decide just exactly which bits that covers.

This needs to be opposed if we are to avoid said impact studies subsequently being released as little more than pages and pages of blacked out text.

Looks like the Government will actually release the secret reports to ...erm.. the Government's own Brexit Committee after all. Or more precisely after they have agreed the security measures to ensure nobody outside the committee finds out what Brexit really means. Brextraprecautions here.

At least the Electoral Commission is finally investigating the leave campaign's funding.

And judging from his activity on Twitter today, Aaron Banks is shitting himself.

Good.

New word !!! Well done Breaders ... 'Brexcrement'


I get very brexcited when I see these. 

It’s telling that Leavers on this thread have given up on making serious comments.

T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s telling that Leavers on this thread have given up on making serious comments.

Welcome TROY and yes exactly.

T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s telling that Leavers on this thread have given up on making serious comments.

Good to see you back, mate.

We live in "interesting times" politically and they're becoming ever more "interesting" by the day.

Great that you're back.

Who the fuck is Dave.

I hope Pfeffel's got a decent lawyer....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/04/boris-johnson-brexit-russia-trump

Bread2.0 wrote:I hope Pfeffel's got a decent lawyer....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/04/boris-johnson-brexit-russia-trump

I doubt he'll need one as there are unlikely to be records of any meetings.

We shall see...

T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s telling that Leavers on this thread have given up on making serious comments.

Its nothing to do do with leavers, or remainers, anymore.
There was a lot of nasty comments and bad feeling after the referendum, with tempers running high. Add to that the Trump election, and one or two on here got completely out of hand, sometimes forgetting that this forum  consists of football fans with a view, not racists, idiots, and all sorts in between. In honesty, we were all involved to some degree. The vehemence, and abuse, shown by some was unreasonable, and, from my point of view, the hard core of remainers were so adamant that nothing good could come out of any aspect of the referendum, meant that it was similar to pissing in the wind when trying to say anything even slightly, for leaving. Unfortunately, I feel we are all still walking on eggshells to some degree, with the Brexit thread).
Having said that, we have all got past that stage, and even manage to have the odd civil discussion about the state of the talks, etc. The forum has now returned to where it was before the civil war, and I have to wonder why you even raised the point, to be honest.

Yet another brexit fantasy exposed:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41859691

gloswhite wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s telling that Leavers on this thread have given up on making serious comments.

Its nothing to do do with leavers, or remainers, anymore.
There was a lot of nasty comments and bad feeling after the referendum, with tempers running high. Add to that the Trump election, and one or two on here got completely out of hand, sometimes forgetting that this forum  consists of football fans with a view, not racists, idiots, and all sorts in between. In honesty, we were all involved to some degree. The vehemence, and abuse, shown by some was unreasonable, and, from my point of view, the hard core of remainers were so adamant that nothing good could come out of any aspect of the referendum, meant that it was similar to pissing in the wind when trying to say anything even slightly, for leaving. Unfortunately, I feel we are all still walking on eggshells to some degree, with the Brexit thread).
Having said that, we have all got past that stage, and even manage to have the odd civil discussion about the state of the talks, etc. The forum has now returned to where it was before the civil war, and I have to wonder why you even raised the point, to be honest.

My point was that given everything we've seen since I'm not sure many Leavers are capable of having a serious debate about this anymore. 

If we look at the claims and promises that were made during the referendum campaigns, almost everything has been shown to be incorrect or in the case of promises reneged on. 

For instance: 

1. EU keen to do a trade deal - German car manufacturers want to sell cars, France winerys sell champagne.

https://www.politico.eu/article/german-industry-to-uk-we-wont-undermine-single-market-over-brexit/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-germany-business-warns-theresa-may-protect-single-market-trade-deal-uk-a7831401.html

2. UK workers will do the jobs of cheap EU labour 
[url=https://www.ft.com/content/13e183ee-c099-11e7-b8a3-38a6e068f464]https://www.ft.com/content/13e183ee-c099-11e7-b8a3-38a6e068f464[/url]

3. NHS weekly money (you don't need a link for this)

Nothing to do with civil discussions or vehemence and abuse, it's just a comment on the topic of the thread and how Brexit seems to be developing.

Bread2.0 wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s telling that Leavers on this thread have given up on making serious comments.

Good to see you back, mate.

We live in "interesting times" politically and they're becoming ever more "interesting" by the day.

Great that you're back.

Thanks mate, trying to keep up here and there. Good to post again!

Another brexit liar appointed to the cabinet to replace Patel. Her main claim to fame is the bare faced lie that Turkey was about to join the EU and we could not veto it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41930719