Brexit negotiations

https://www-politico-eu.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-to-complement-nato/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQECAFYAQ%3D%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.eu%2Farticle%2Fangela-merkel-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-to-complement-nato%2F

Oh dear.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:https://www-politico-eu.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-to-complement-nato/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQECAFYAQ%3D%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.eu%2Farticle%2Fangela-merkel-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-to-complement-nato%2F

Oh dear.

If you read the article you will see it amounts to no more than "Merkel threw her support behind the idea". This isn't even a plan let alone a project. Even if it progressed despite all the practical difficulties we would not be forced to join. So just another scare story then.

Got any other examples Hipster from the pile you mentioned?

Hipster_Nebula wrote:General elections effect every aspect of people's lives.

EU army is one lie that comes to mind.

General Elections, like I said, do not affect our rights as EU Citizens, to live and work in another 27 Countries within Europe. They never can affect that because the Government cannot take that right away, and I see you couldn’t find me any real lies that you can point to the remain campaign. EU Army ! Yet another non story.

....and what an absolute embarrasment our Government are now. Not only pushing through a Knighthood for Redmond (who John Major actually called a Bastard, his ex-wife called him the nastiest man in Politics, heartless and capable of awful cruelty), but now telling all the EU Citizens and their families that are living here LEGALLY ALREADY will have to pay to APPLY for settlement after 21 December 2020. Not REGISTER, but APPLY to stay. Even CHILDREN born in the UK, their parents will have to apply for them as well. Sickening, embarassing and most of all showing a complete disregard for the EU Citizens that have worked so hard in the UK, many in really shit jobs. Theresa May, shit dancer, corrupt politician, xenophobic to the bones.

Dunkels King wrote:....and what an absolute embarrasment our Government are now. Not only pushing through a Nighthood for Redmond (who John Major actually called a Bastard, his ex-wife called him the nastiest man in Politics, heartless and capable of awful cruelty), but now telling all the EU Citizens and their families that are living here LEGALLY ALREADY will have to pay to APPLY for settlement after 21 December 2020. Not REGISTER, but APPLY to stay. Even CHILDREN born in the UK, their parents will have to apply for them as well. Sickening, embarassing and most of all showing a complete disregard for the EU Citizens that have worked so hard in the UK, many in really shit jobs. Theresa May, shit dancer, corrupt politician, xenophobic to the bones.

Totally agree. If you are born in the UK then you should have the right to remain here without having to go through an application process. This is almost a repeat of the Windrush fiasco.

Reebok Trotter wrote:

Dunkels King wrote:....and what an absolute embarrasment our Government are now. Not only pushing through a Nighthood for Redmond (who John Major actually called a Bastard, his ex-wife called him the nastiest man in Politics, heartless and capable of awful cruelty), but now telling all the EU Citizens and their families that are living here LEGALLY ALREADY will have to pay to APPLY for settlement after 21 December 2020. Not REGISTER, but APPLY to stay. Even CHILDREN born in the UK, their parents will have to apply for them as well. Sickening, embarassing and most of all showing a complete disregard for the EU Citizens that have worked so hard in the UK, many in really shit jobs. Theresa May, shit dancer, corrupt politician, xenophobic to the bones.

Totally agree. If you are born in the UK then you should have the right to remain here without having to go through an application process. This is almost a repeat of the Windrush fiasco.

Someone recently called me Fascist for saying that if I ran a Company in Europe I wouldn’t want to employ a UK Citizen if I knew they had voted for Brexit. Of course, legally I could not do that, but the sentiment would be there. So what does this make Theresa May ? She was Home Secretary when all the investigations regarding Windrush people started to appear. She also sent the billboard wagons round telling people to go back to their own country if they had no job, despite the fact that legally the Government could have done that anyway if they had  bothered to implement the EU Directive that allowed it.

You need to get a grip DK.

There are people starving across the world, people with no homes, people living with the threat of death on a daily basis. Will Brexit bring any of this to your own front door? Will it fuck.

Natasha Whittam wrote:You need to get a grip DK.

There are people starving across the world, people with no homes, people living with the threat of death on a daily basis. Will Brexit bring any of this to your own front door? Will it fuck.

Piss off Nat you Troll. The Country I live in is helping all the people you describe, yet all I ever hear and read about in your Brexit World is how you want to stop foreign aid. Hypocritical beyond belief.

.....and in the time Germany alone took more than one million people from those Countries, the UK took less than 16000. Brexit Britain. Hate thy neighbor and fuck the rest of the world as well.

Dunkels King wrote:.....and in the time Germany alone took more than one million people from those Countries, the UK took less than 16000. Brexit Britain. Hate thy neighbor and fuck the rest of the world as well.

Well said.

xmiles wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:https://www-politico-eu.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-to-complement-nato/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQECAFYAQ%3D%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.eu%2Farticle%2Fangela-merkel-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-to-complement-nato%2F

Oh dear.

If you read the article you will see it amounts to no more than "Merkel threw her support behind the idea". This isn't even a plan let alone a project. Even if it progressed despite all the practical difficulties we would not be forced to join. So just another scare story then.

Got any other examples Hipster from the pile you mentioned?

Yes so the 2 major countries France and Germany and morons like junker and verhofstadt support the idea. I thought it was a fantasy? Thats what the remain campaign said anyway. 

We were told the there would be an immediate budget on a VOTE to leave, that the NHS would collapse, that there was a risk to peace on the continent. All the financial predictions were made on a vote to leave an none of them came true. 

Nothing to do with having left or not.

Remain campaign was also fined by the electoral commission and broke electoral law. 

Sad state of affairs. 

The PM said that the a vote to leave was a vote to leave the EU and its associated bodies. Quite simple really.

[size=31]Theresa May lied and lied again to become PM[/size]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/30/theresa-may-lie-and-lied-to-become-prime-minister

So we should just listen to her with that track record ? By the way, most economists stated the meltdown would start when we leave, not if we vote leave. It’s easy to pick the comments of a few individuals and ignore the impartial experts.

Hipster Nebula wrote:The PM said that the a vote to leave was a vote to leave the EU and its associated bodies. Quite simple really.

The PM was elected after the vote, so that doesn’t make your version of Brexit any more relevant I’m afraid. All it means is she wasted 2 years chasing a Brexit that would pander to the right of her party and boost her popularity with leavers (or so she mistakenly thought).

It’s not up to you or her to have the final say on what Brexit means. We live in a parliamentary democracy and the decision should be taken by parliament to deliver what’s best for the country - taking all the facts into account. 

If parliament is unable to do that, what form of Brexit we take should be a decision that comes to the people.

Two common quotes from Theresa May that stand up to meaning nothing....

Brexit means Brexit. 
The will of the people.

The first one is a joke because still, no one knows what the hell will happen, over than normal people being worse off, and many out of a job. The second one is just a lie. The will of the people two years ago before all the realities of leaving, and all the outright lies from Farage and Johnson were unraveled. She is clueless and anyone who thinks she thinks what she is doing is in the BEST INTEREST OF THE UK is deluded.

Calm down dear!

T.R.O.Y wrote:

Hipster Nebula wrote:The PM said that the a vote to leave was a vote to leave the EU and its associated bodies. Quite simple really.

The PM was elected after the vote, so that doesn’t make your version of Brexit any more relevant I’m afraid. All it means is she wasted 2 years chasing a Brexit that would pander to the right of her party and boost her popularity with leavers (or so she mistakenly thought).

It’s not up to you or her to have the final say on what Brexit means. We live in a parliamentary democracy and the decision should be taken by parliament to deliver what’s best for the country - taking all the facts into account. 

If parliament is unable to do that, what form of Brexit we take should be a decision that comes to the people.

I meant the PM of the day. David Cameron.

If a party decides not to carry through with a manifesto promise in a general election (in other words lie) does that mean we should re-run the election and that the initial vote for that party was not the "will of the people"

Cajunboy wrote:Calm down dear!

Typical reply from someone who can’t come up with a counter position to the statement.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:If a party decides not to carry through with a manifesto promise in a general election (in other words lie) does that mean we should re-run the election and that the initial vote for that party was not the "will of the people"

Actually it does in my opinion, but like I said a whole host of different things are up for change. I worked under both Conservative and Labour Governments in the UK, and neither of them made a single difference to me. I don’t think I was ever better off or worse off under either. I always voted Conservative. For me, neither of the main parties are fit to Govern. At the moment the Conservative leader is a proven liar and the Labour leader doesn’t want the job so floats around in the background. It’s interesting that he still goes against the largest demographic of his voters by still wanting Brexit, but that fits nicely if you are a Socialist.

Dunkels King wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:If a party decides not to carry through with a manifesto promise in a general election (in other words lie) does that mean we should re-run the election and that the initial vote for that party was not the "will of the people"

Actually it does in my opinion, but like I said a whole host of different things are up for change. I worked under both Conservative and Labour Governments in the UK, and neither of them made a single difference to me. I don’t think I was ever better off or worse off under either. I always voted Conservative. For me, neither of the main parties are fit to Govern. At the moment the Conservative leader is a proven liar and the Labour leader doesn’t want the job so floats around in the background. It’s interesting that he still goes against the largest demographic of his voters by still wanting Brexit, but that fits nicely if you are a Socialist.

We'll we certainly agree there.