Should Coyle stay?

bwfc71 wrote:
So why did we have friendlies, again?

Be fair, Chris, you can't replicate actual league football in friendlies. All relegated teams go through a period of adaptation to a new league, whether it's one game, 3 games, or 10 games. Wolves only have 4 points too. It's one reason it's much easier to stay up than go back up. I'm not making excuses for Coyle or anyone, it's always been like that.

Managerial Positions

Falkirk 31/1/2003 – 20/5/2003 19 games – won 12, drew 3, lost 4 (win 63%)

St Johnstone 15/4/05 – 22/11/07 70 games – won 36, drew 20, lost 14 (win 51%)

Burnley 22/11/07 – 5/1/2010 116 games – won 49, drew 29, lost 38 (win 42%)

Bolton 8/1/10 – today 119 games – won 40, drew 23, lost 56 (win 34%)

Notes: Games as in all competitions



Lets take it to same number of games as Burnley which equates to 1 draw, 1 win and 1 loss to take off, guess what the win percentage rate is…… 34% much worse than when he was manager at Burnley – the stats show it all. He has to go.

largehat wrote:

bwfc71 wrote:
So why did we have friendlies, again?

Be fair, Chris, you can't replicate actual league football in friendlies. All relegated teams go through a period of adaptation to a new league, whether it's one game, 3 games, or 10 games. Wolves only have 4 points too. It's one reason it's much easier to stay up than go back up. I'm not making excuses for Coyle or anyone, it's always been like that.

There is a bit of that but the friendlies are there to get match fit, to get used to new surroundings (i.e. league) to looking at new partnerships and new formations and to experiment around - but none of that happened and we are still as useless as we were over the last 18 months.

But we didn't play anyone from the league?

The pre season games are primarily for fitness and to try out players/formations.

I don't think any body (correct me) is expecting us to win 5-0 every game but it's more the inability to pass and move, and defend properly.

bwfc71 wrote:

There is a bit of that but the friendlies are there to get match fit, to get used to new surroundings (i.e. league) to looking at new partnerships and new formations and to experiment around - but none of that happened and we are still as useless as we were over the last 18 months.

I was talking in more general terms, I think my point is true for all relegated teams. It's one of the challenge of relegation. Between us, Wolves and Blackburn we have 15 points out of a possible 27 so far.

I'm not saying it isn't Coyle's job to manage that transition or that he's done it well, I just don't think friendlies could prepare us for the level of intensity Burnley and Forest showed.

Thing is as some would say, although I wouldn't say it the same way, Coyle has had history in the league and should know the intensity and should have prepared for it like he did with Burnley - but although that is true to a point I do agree with you, a little, as the division has changed and become more intense since he was last in the division but that then also shows he hasn't done his homework thoroughly enough in knowing how the division has changed and how to prepare for it!

largehat wrote:...I just don't think friendlies could prepare us for the level of intensity Burnley and Forest showed.

And Crawley Town.

largehat wrote:

BoltonTillIDie wrote:
Of course they can! But win for coyle?

It's just a username, BTID. You live in Halifax, you don't take "BoltonTillIDie" literally to the ultimate degree. I don't own a large hat. Natasha has an Adam's Apple. Hipster isn't hip.

I will be a Bolton fan till I die - so my username is correct

You don't own a large hat...You have misled me. I'm seething

Hipster, in my opinion is hip

Natasha has an Adam's Apple - I don't understand the logic behind this one...

Anyway...I'm just jealous

Keegan wrote:

largehat wrote:...I just don't think friendlies could prepare us for the level of intensity Burnley and Forest showed.

And Crawley Town.

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Angry Dad wrote:

Keegan wrote:

largehat wrote:...I just don't think friendlies could prepare us for the level of intensity Burnley and Forest showed.

And Crawley Town.

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Go and read your Mills & Boon novel AD.

largehat wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:

Keegan wrote:

largehat wrote:...I just don't think friendlies could prepare us for the level of intensity Burnley and Forest showed.

And Crawley Town.

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Go and read your Mills & Boon novel AD.

Actually LH i am reading a book about How to get away with murder. Bloody interesting read it is. Got a haircut today ,sleeping in the spare room tonight. Im seething.

Angry Dad wrote:
Actually LH i am reading a book about How to get away with murder. Bloody interesting read it is. Got a haircut today ,sleeping in the spare room tonight. Im seething.

Did you ask for "a lot on the floor" or was it just a trim? I hope you haven't done anything drastic.

As for your reading that book, I hope that it's just reading for pleasure and not practical use.

I'd love to know why you're in the spare room. Do you have an STD or did your missus read your post about three people in a marriage?

largehat wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:
Actually LH i am reading a book about How to get away with murder. Bloody interesting read it is. Got a haircut today ,sleeping in the spare room tonight. Im seething.

Did you ask for "a lot on the floor" or was it just a trim? I hope you haven't done anything drastic.

As for your reading that book, I hope that it's just reading for pleasure and not practical use.

I'd love to know why you're in the spare room. Do you have an STD or did your missus read your post about three people in a marriage?

Nah just a tidy up, spare room ? dunno she wont tell me why but i think its got something to do with me kissing her best friend on the lips for too long instead of a peck on the cheek. I give her a lot of rides you see and she was just being grateful but she'd had a couple of glasses of wine so maybe a bit too enthusiastic with her thanks. She doesn't know about this site otherwise i would be in big shit over suranne.

This "intensity of the league" business (I'm sorry) but it's bollocks.
8 times out of 10 a Premier League team will defeat a Championship team in a cup game. They don't have to adjust to anything. They come out and play, and win. Simple.

Angry Dad wrote:[she wont tell me why but i think its got something to do with me kissing her best friend on the lips for too long instead of a peck on the cheek. I give her a lot of rides you see and she was just being grateful but she'd had a couple of glasses of wine so maybe a bit too enthusiastic with her thanks.

Ha, ha, I've got visions of Del Boy kissing Marlene (Boycie's wife) a bit too enthusiastically in the Nag's Head in 'Only Fools'.