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121 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Fri May 24, 2019 1:35 pm
karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
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122 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Fri May 24, 2019 3:28 pm
gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Don't get too excited, you don't know whats waiting around the corner.
123 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Fri May 24, 2019 11:35 pm
sunlight
Andy Walker
Ive heard that all those British Steel Workers are going to retrain as Strippers. Theres a lot of drunk women on the weekend who will pay good money to see them.
Edited. I changed it to be more polite. ( Its supposed to be a joke referenced at that film from Sheffield where all the workers were laid off and became strippers. )
Edited. I changed it to be more polite. ( Its supposed to be a joke referenced at that film from Sheffield where all the workers were laid off and became strippers. )
124 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 26, 2019 10:44 pm
BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
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The Brexit party win in Bolton with 35.8% of the vote, followed by Labour 27%, Lib Dem’s with 13%, Conservatives with 8.6%
126 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 6:55 am
karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
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Fantastic result! 
127 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 9:07 am
rammywhite
Frank Worthington
@karlypants wrote:Fantastic result!
Not as good as it sounds. 37% of people voted overall and Brexit got 35% of that vote. So out of the total electorate who could vote just under 13% voted for Brexit ( .35 X.37).
When Labour now change tack, which they must do now that would add their share of the vote ( around 14%) to the other anti Brexit voters ( Greens, Lib Dems, SNP. PC ,Change) and that will increase the anti Brexit vote, or at least those who want a second referendum to around 54%.
There will be another referendum and Remainers will win- there will be nobody in Westminster to stop it as there are no Brexit MPs.
Brexit will lose!!
There is also no chance now of another General Election- both Labour and Tory will agree on that.
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128 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 9:35 am
gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
One fly in the ointment on this on Rammy. You're assuming all the Labour voters will vote for the reversing of Labours ideals, and will continue to vote for them.@rammywhite wrote:@karlypants wrote:Fantastic result!
Not as good as it sounds. 37% of people voted overall and Brexit got 35% of that vote. So out of the total electorate who could vote just under 13% voted for Brexit ( .35 X.37).
When Labour now change tack, which they must do now that would add their share of the vote ( around 14%) to the other anti Brexit voters ( Greens, Lib Dems, SNP. PC ,Change) and that will increase the anti Brexit vote, or at least those who want a second referendum to around 54%.
There will be another referendum and Remainers will win- there will be nobody in Westminster to stop it as there are no Brexit MPs.
Brexit will lose!!
There is also no chance now of another General Election- both Labour and Tory will agree on that.
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Genuinely, can someone remind me of what percentage of the Labour support voted for Brexit in the referendum?
As for the 13%, the fact is, they won.
Having said that, I think were in for another painful dragging out of views, aims, and wants, all with no clear end in sight.
It was put forward on TV this morning, that the Brexit party, as one of the larger parties in Europe, may have influence on whether there is a further extension. I'm assuming, with the installation of a Brexit PM, that we will be leaving in October, possibly without a deal, supported in Europe by the Brexit Party.
Something I've noticed is that a no deal exit will be 'disastrous' for the UK. I've yet to see anything, figure-wise, etc, other than wailing and arm waving. Are there any concrete facts and figures, or is this another situation where everyone panics, because that seems to be the favourite reaction?
129 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 9:51 am
rammywhite
Frank Worthington
I've no figures to offer but I imagine that a sizeable proportion of both Tory and Labour voters favour remain- certainly their MPs prefer to stay.
As for definitive consequences of leaving with no deal, I don't think you can do much more than speculate as its uncharted waters with any number of unknown factors at work.
I haven't a clue what would happen, and neither do others, but I think it will be beset with real problems and perhaps disastrous consequences. Better than that I can't offer.
If the population is polarised at the moment its just going to get far worse. People talk about existential problems and I think we're facing one now. The Tories are leaderless and visionless- not really a clue what to do next.
Labour is led a by a silly old duffer with ideologically obsessed figures hiding in his shadow and so they need to sort themselves out as well. I can see a leadership contest for them not far off as they can smell blood. Thornberry is sharpening her claws as is Mc Donnell.
Interesting times.
As for definitive consequences of leaving with no deal, I don't think you can do much more than speculate as its uncharted waters with any number of unknown factors at work.
I haven't a clue what would happen, and neither do others, but I think it will be beset with real problems and perhaps disastrous consequences. Better than that I can't offer.
If the population is polarised at the moment its just going to get far worse. People talk about existential problems and I think we're facing one now. The Tories are leaderless and visionless- not really a clue what to do next.
Labour is led a by a silly old duffer with ideologically obsessed figures hiding in his shadow and so they need to sort themselves out as well. I can see a leadership contest for them not far off as they can smell blood. Thornberry is sharpening her claws as is Mc Donnell.
Interesting times.
130 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 10:36 am
gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
As you say, interesting times. As you may know, I can't stand the sight, or sound, of Thornberry, but to her credit, she gave some honest answers when she was on the telly last night. However, she let herself down again, when she reverted to her responses of talking over, and ignoring the others there. But, as you say, it did look as though she was trying to pull away from Corbyn.@rammywhite wrote:I've no figures to offer but I imagine that a sizeable proportion of both Tory and Labour voters favour remain- certainly their MPs prefer to stay.
As for definitive consequences of leaving with no deal, I don't think you can do much more than speculate as its uncharted waters with any number of unknown factors at work.
I haven't a clue what would happen, and neither do others, but I think it will be beset with real problems and perhaps disastrous consequences. Better than that I can't offer.
If the population is polarised at the moment its just going to get far worse. People talk about existential problems and I think we're facing one now. The Tories are leaderless and visionless- not really a clue what to do next.
Labour is led a by a silly old duffer with ideologically obsessed figures hiding in his shadow and so they need to sort themselves out as well. I can see a leadership contest for them not far off as they can smell blood. Thornberry is sharpening her claws as is Mc Donnell.
Interesting times.
I did chuckle when Huw wotsit said that she was disagreeing with the Labour hierarchy, which was odd, considering she was one of those that made the decisions.
I've still to hear from Johnson, but was impressed with Raab, and Stewart. It'll be interesting to see how all of them tailor their stories, and integrity, to catch the votes. Whoever gets it, will have a truly poisoned chalice.
Politicians, don't ya just love 'em.
131 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 12:01 pm
xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Although Farage's one trick party got more votes than any other party perhaps the most significant aspect of the voting is how it split between leavers and remainers. The Brexit and UKIP vote was 34.9% of votes cast whereas votes for parties opposed to brexit totalled 40.4% of the votes cast. A much bigger margin than the 48/52 split at the referendum which Farage considered unfinished business unless he won of course.
132 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 12:09 pm
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:The Brexit and UKIP vote was 34.9% of votes cast whereas votes for parties opposed to brexit totalled 40.4% of the votes cast.
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
When Leave won the 2016 referendum you delighted in telling us that the result was based on a 70% turnout and therefore it wasn't a true reflection.
Fast forward 3 years and you're clinging to a stat for a vote that (at best) had a 40% turnout.
133 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 12:13 pm
rammywhite
Frank Worthington
@xmiles wrote:Although Farage's one trick party got more votes than any other party perhaps the most significant aspect of the voting is how it split between leavers and remainers. The Brexit and UKIP vote was 34.9% of votes cast whereas votes for parties opposed to brexit totalled 40.4% of the votes cast. A much bigger margin than the 48/52 split at the referendum which Farage considered unfinished business unless he won of course.
That's the key message from last night. Taken together the Remainers ( or at least the anti Brexiteers) won a higher share of the vote. Brexit and Farage can preen their feathers as much as they want- but the real story is that they're fooling themselves.
134 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 12:24 pm
xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
@Natasha Whittam wrote:@xmiles wrote:The Brexit and UKIP vote was 34.9% of votes cast whereas votes for parties opposed to brexit totalled 40.4% of the votes cast.
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
When Leave won the 2016 referendum you delighted in telling us that the result was based on a 70% turnout and therefore it wasn't a true reflection.
Fast forward 3 years and you're clinging to a stat for a vote that (at best) had a 40% turnout.
You should try reading what I say rather than what you imagine I say.
As rammy has already pointed out, on a turnout of less than 37% only 12.8% of the population voted for brexit on Thursday. So much for brexit being the "will of the people".
135 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 1:04 pm
gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
All this arguing about percentages just goes to show how deep the problem is. Who gives a shit about who won/lost by what margin. Its an indicator only. What it shows me is that we will be leaving the EU, and if both sides need to compromise, then look at it sensibly, and put time limits on agreed associations, e.g trade, if necessary. It will also give the EU time to reconsider some issues. Whether its a week, month or even a couple of years, that's no problem. Of course, the time up to October 31st will be wasted with even more ridiculous squabbling, and its the first time limit that will appear. If we haven't agreed anything by then, we can at least use the time to prepare ourselves for the change, and hopefully, with such a big threat looming, the idiots will come up with something.
136 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 1:10 pm
xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
If there is a second referendum we might not be leaving the EU.
137 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 2:03 pm
sunlight
Andy Walker
Farage looks like Kermit the Frog.
138 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 2:04 pm
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
The stat only holds up if you don't add the Tory's to the leave vote. Also many labour voters, of the few that are left, will be leavers too.
In essence the referendum result has probably not changed very much.
In essence the referendum result has probably not changed very much.
139 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 2:39 pm
xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:The stat only holds up if you don't add the Tory's to the leave vote. Also many labour voters, of the few that are left, will be leavers too.
In essence the referendum result has probably not changed very much.
Obviously we don't know how many of the tory and labour voters on Thursday would opt for leave or remain but not every tory voter is happy to leave especially if it were on a no deal basis.
Also I find it curious that you refer to "the few that are left" labour voters when labour took 14.1% of the vote and the tories only 9.1% putting them in 5th place behind the greens.
140 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 2:43 pm
Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
@xmiles wrote:If there is a second referendum we might not be leaving the EU.
141 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 3:02 pm
rammywhite
Frank Worthington
There is a realistic chance that we won't!!
142 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 3:21 pm
gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
At this time, I think the likely outcome is that we will leave the EU, and the only thing to be decided is with what type of plan, or not, that we have in place.
I doubt very much we will cancel Article 50. It will be even more chaotic than now if we have a second referendum. Many people will feel that the democratic process has not been followed, which could throw another factor into the mix. Whilst all this bitching and backbiting is going on, we're rolling steadily to the legal default. I think Corbyn is a weak man, and a ditherer, so may well go with his MP's and put it to the vote, if he gets the opportunity.
I doubt very much we will cancel Article 50. It will be even more chaotic than now if we have a second referendum. Many people will feel that the democratic process has not been followed, which could throw another factor into the mix. Whilst all this bitching and backbiting is going on, we're rolling steadily to the legal default. I think Corbyn is a weak man, and a ditherer, so may well go with his MP's and put it to the vote, if he gets the opportunity.
143 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 3:43 pm
karlypants
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144 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 4:33 pm
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:@Hipster_Nebula wrote:The stat only holds up if you don't add the Tory's to the leave vote. Also many labour voters, of the few that are left, will be leavers too.
In essence the referendum result has probably not changed very much.
Obviously we don't know how many of the tory and labour voters on Thursday would opt for leave or remain but not every tory voter is happy to leave especially if it were on a no deal basis.
Also I find it curious that you refer to "the few that are left" labour voters when labour took 14.1% of the vote and the tories only 9.1% putting them in 5th place behind the greens.
I don't find it curious. Both parties have little support.
145 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 4:37 pm
Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
Just leave it to Boris!!!
146 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 5:51 pm
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Big Boris would beat Corbyn in an election.
147 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 6:24 pm
Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Correct, a twat of a PM with more bollox than the person that will replace her!@karlypants wrote:And how is it pointless?@boltonbonce wrote:To what end? It's pointless.@Angry Dad wrote:Brexit Party
For one it’s showing that twat of a prime minister she’s a useless and spineless woman and that she needs to fuck off.
She probably knows this anyway but it’s a bloody good confirmation.
148 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 6:29 pm
Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
It's generally accepted that the main leave voters are wrinkly twats so a few will be looking at the coffin lid!
For the record Nat is 78 knocking on 75!!
For the record Nat is 78 knocking on 75!!
149 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 7:09 pm
Norpig
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Bloody hell Soul Kitchen is back from the dead
Glad to see Tommeh nobhead only got 2% of the vote and lost his deposit
Glad to see Tommeh nobhead only got 2% of the vote and lost his deposit
150 Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Mon May 27, 2019 8:33 pm
Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
You are right I'm back but only on a day trip!@Norpig wrote:Bloody hell Soul Kitchen is back from the dead
Glad to see Tommeh nobhead only got 2% of the vote and lost his deposit
Your thoughts about my early demise are unfounded!!
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