How is the Tory government doing?

karlypants wrote:

xmiles wrote:

karlypants wrote:

xmiles wrote:

karlypants wrote:Wasn't the A&E waiting time previously on average of around 6hours?

A&E waiting times have hit their worst levels on record.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi-zeS7v4bnAhVfTxUIHRQeDDkQFjACegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffullfact.org%2Felection-2019%2Faccident-emergency-waiting-2019%2F&usg=AOvVaw19QpiuewZJVY4wwfYF-tgy

"We don’t have data on the situation before the four hour target was introduced in 2004, although it seems likely that the situation was worse in the preceding decade"

Do you have a source for this quote or did you just make it up?

In any event there is no denying the simple fact that waiting times have got significantly worse since 2010 when the Tories starting cutting funding of the NHS.

It's off the bloody webpage you posted!!!

T.R.O.Y wrote:Ok, don’t know enough to comment about the SNP. But does scrapping targets instead of meeting them help? And is there anything positive to say about this government so far?

It's far too early.

Ask me in a year. And yes, I'd be saying the same If we had a new labour government. 

Governments are rarely judged after a few weeks.

Can't believe the self-justifying excuses for Borat are coming in already seeing as it will be a full two years before the impact of Brexit and his incompetence are fully realised. We don't even know the full extent of his bosses' agenda yet - although I notice that he's bailed out Flybe with taxpayers' money even though their American and British billionaire owners have all the funds required to sort out their business but that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Just give it time. It will be at least a year before we finally leave the EU so perhaps it might be worthwhile waiting for a year beyond that before starting to assess Borat's performance?
Ask the question again in 2022.

I've worked in the NHS for 25 years and have never thought that having targets for waiting times in A&E is helpful. It just causes more stress for the staff there having to watch the clock. The real issue and has been for many years is underfunding and lack of staff.
Yes people do turn up at A&E for the most ridiculous reasons and they are the people who should be turned away and directed to walk in centres, Pharmacies etc to free up time for people who really need treating. That would definitely help bring down waiting times.

It's how the money is spent.

Norpig wrote:I've worked in the NHS for 25 years and have never thought that having targets for waiting times in A&E is helpful. It just causes more stress for the staff there having to watch the clock. The real issue and has been for many years is underfunding and lack of staff.
Yes people do turn up at A&E for the most ridiculous reasons and they are the people who should be turned away and directed to walk in centres, Pharmacies etc to free up time for people who really need treating. That would definitely help bring down waiting times.

I can't believe you'd have me turned away. I admit I turn up with some unusual problems, many of which would be better suited by a visit to a vet, but surely I'm a special case.
Our nearest walk in centre is in Leigh. I'd probably fall over half way there and end up at the hospital anyway.

I find my walk in doctor disturbing anyway.

The real shortage of GP's and getting an appointment in less than a week is a problem as well and is why people turn up at A&E.

You must have your own reserved seat at your local A&E by now Boncey 

Reckon my local chemist knows more about medicine than my GP TBH. I had a skin problem on my knee originally caused by sliding tackles on 3G footie pitches which didn't heal for two years (although TBF I kept doing it and you tend to hit the same spot due to muscle memory) but my doctor kept recommending useless creams - but my chemist told me I needed some steroid stuff which my doctor then reluctantly prescribed and it sorted it right out.
Or maybe my GP was just trying to palm me off with cheap stuff?
Do expensive medicines impact on a doctor's practice profit margin?

It takes a lot to get me to the GP, mainly because getting an appointment is so difficult.

Bonce...Hello, I'd like to make an appointment to see the doctor.

Receptionist.....OK, what's it about?

Bonce.....Mind your own business you nosey cow.

I end up putting the phone down. I'll discuss my problem with the doctor, not the old trout on the desk.

boltonbonce wrote:It takes a lot to get me to the GP, mainly because getting an appointment is so difficult.

Bonce...Hello, I'd like to make an appointment to see the doctor.

Receptionist.....OK, what's it about?

Bonce.....Mind your own business you nosey cow.

I end up putting the phone down. I'll discuss my problem with the doctor, not the old trout on the desk.

You should tell them something bizarre that would make them blush.

They wouldn't dare ask again I'm sure.

Not me. I'm not having them say 'here's that bloke with the bent nob' as I walk through the door.

Like they normally do.

boltonbonce wrote:Not me. I'm not having them say 'here's that bloke with the bent nob' as I walk through the door.

Like they normally do.

Just tell them that your dick is too big and you'd like to discuss a reduction as you're having difficulty walking.


NB: That's "walking" with an "L"

When I book an appointment over the internet, (usually for 3 weeks later), we are asked the reason why. I usually put something down as it would take the GP ages to go through my record looking for associated issues 

wanderlust wrote:

boltonbonce wrote:Not me. I'm not having them say 'here's that bloke with the bent nob' as I walk through the door.

Like they normally do.

Just tell them that your dick is too big and you'd like to discuss a reduction as you're having difficulty walking.


NB: That's "walking" with an "L"

The one thing that really was of use was the Lever Chambers walk in centre near the octagon theatre that was closed down. 

If you needed to see someone but wasn’t serious enough to go to A&E and couldn’t get a doctors appointment then you would go there and someone would see you. 

These should be brought back all over IMO.

One thing that will make A&E waiting times and GP lists even longer is the number of elderly ex-pats returning to the UK when they find they can no longer get free medical treatment in the EU. Plus all the EU nationals who work or worked in the NHS leaving the UK.

Brexit the gift that keeps on giving.

xmiles are you not feeling the Boris Bounce?

karlypants wrote:The one thing that really was of use was the Lever Chambers walk in centre near the octagon theatre that was closed down. 

If you needed to see someone but wasn’t serious enough to go to A&E and couldn’t get a doctors appointment then you would go there and someone would see you. 

These should be brought back all over IMO.

Wants improved public services, votes Tory. Literally ridiculous.

T.R.O.Y wrote:

karlypants wrote:The one thing that really was of use was the Lever Chambers walk in centre near the octagon theatre that was closed down. 

If you needed to see someone but wasn’t serious enough to go to A&E and couldn’t get a doctors appointment then you would go there and someone would see you. 

These should be brought back all over IMO.

Wants improved public services, votes Tory. Literally ridiculous.