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931How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Sep 07 2020, 12:55

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Einstein was quite a guy.

'Only a life lived for others is a life worthwhile'.

932How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Sep 07 2020, 22:58

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
So Boris has decided that his “oven- ready“ Brexit deal 
- the one he got rid of Theresa May with
- the one that he denied scrutiny of by illegally proroguing parliament 
- the one he tricked the Queen into signing 
- the so far very, very, very expensive one

...is not fit for purpose?
 
Failure is becoming an art form.

But don’t worry - he’ll instruct the negotiators to be such twats that he’ll be able to blame the EU for walking away from the talks - when we end up with the No Deal we warned about 4 years ago.

#nevergettingbrexitdone

933How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 08 2020, 09:18

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Independent running a story today on the British Retail Consortiums projection for increases in food prices in January and it was interesting to see that although that they vary enormously eg only 12% increase for cucumbers but a whopping 48% increase for minced beef.

I’d assumed that no deal brexit price increases would be proportionately the same across the board but seems like they won’t be.

Realistically we can probably backfill the shortfall in fruit and veg production in the summer months (if we force jobseekers to pick it) but our dependency on imports will kick in during the winter months when we haven’t got the climate to produce our own.

934How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 08 2020, 11:15

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Where is the game of brinkmanship going to get us? We are in real danger now of there being no deal at all which is probably what Boris and his cronies wanted all along.

935How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 08 2020, 11:23

T.R.O.Y.


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
The myth of Brexit has unravelled now, reality has caught up with the rhetoric.

We can't leave with a deal better than what we already had (which was by far the best deal out of all member states by the way) while still fulfilling the leave campaigns commitments on immigration, fishing and the courts.

As Boris can't deliver on those criteria his only option is to go for a no-deal and keep the hardliners happy. His strategy of government it is to survive day-to-day, so if that means short term glory for long term suffering he'll take it.

936How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 08 2020, 11:52

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:The myth of Brexit has unravelled now, reality has caught up with the rhetoric.

We can't leave with a deal better than what we already had (which was by far the best deal out of all member states by the way) while still fulfilling the leave campaigns commitments on immigration, fishing and the courts.

As Boris can't deliver on those criteria his only option is to go for a no-deal and keep the hardliners happy. His strategy of government it is to survive day-to-day, so if that means short term glory for long term suffering he'll take it.

Second rule of Politics.

It's easy to see how the game is played once you know the two rules!

937How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 08 2020, 11:57

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:The myth of Brexit has unravelled now, reality has caught up with the rhetoric.

We can't leave with a deal better than what we already had (which was by far the best deal out of all member states by the way) while still fulfilling the leave campaigns commitments on immigration, fishing and the courts.

As Boris can't deliver on those criteria his only option is to go for a no-deal and keep the hardliners happy. His strategy of government it is to survive day-to-day, so if that means short term glory for long term suffering he'll take it.
Well I can’t see Boris or the super rich architects of Brexit suffering at all.

It’s the working class mugs who were conned into voting for it who are likely to take the pain - along with the young and the vulnerable.
  
And the old leavers are dying off anyway...

938How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 08 2020, 12:24

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:The myth of Brexit has unravelled now, reality has caught up with the rhetoric.

We can't leave with a deal better than what we already had (which was by far the best deal out of all member states by the way) while still fulfilling the leave campaigns commitments on immigration, fishing and the courts.

As Boris can't deliver on those criteria his only option is to go for a no-deal and keep the hardliners happy. His strategy of government it is to survive day-to-day, so if that means short term glory for long term suffering he'll take it.
Well I can’t see Boris or the super rich architects of Brexit suffering at all.

It’s the working class mugs who were conned into voting for it who are likely to take the pain - along with the young and the vulnerable.
  
And the old leavers are dying off anyway...

I not only find that extremely offensive and completely insensitive and disrespectful to posters you know on here (and their age and state of healthy) but also highly hypocritical coming from someone close to seventy yourself who voted FOR Brexit.

939How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 08 2020, 12:27

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:The myth of Brexit has unravelled now, reality has caught up with the rhetoric.

We can't leave with a deal better than what we already had (which was by far the best deal out of all member states by the way) while still fulfilling the leave campaigns commitments on immigration, fishing and the courts.

As Boris can't deliver on those criteria his only option is to go for a no-deal and keep the hardliners happy. His strategy of government it is to survive day-to-day, so if that means short term glory for long term suffering he'll take it.

Totally true and yet there are still plenty of people gullible enough to believe the lies Boris spouts. Rolling Eyes

940How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 08 2020, 13:30

sunlight

sunlight
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
`They` are saying that Brexit will turn into a cold war.

941How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 08 2020, 14:00

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
The push to exert even more autocratic control is getting sinister now. Getting rid of anything that stands in their way. 
Attempts to illegally prorogue parliament are followed now by attempts to illegally change the terms of the Brexit Withdrawal Bill that Boris signed only a short while ago. No wonder the Civil Service's top lawyer has felt compelled to resign.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54072347

942How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 08 2020, 15:20

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Even government ministers admit they will be breaking international law. Why would any country trust us to keep to any treaty we signed. That is what happens when you have a government led by a man with no morals or principles.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54073836

943How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Sep 09 2020, 07:06

sunlight

sunlight
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
This Jonathan Jones, thats just resigned over the Tories` Brexit law-breaking, sounds like a Welsh Spy.

944How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Sep 09 2020, 10:32

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@sunlight wrote:This Jonathan Jones, thats just resigned over the Tories` Brexit law-breaking, sounds like a Welsh Spy.
Probably the source of all the leeks.

945How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Sep 09 2020, 10:37

sunlight

sunlight
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@boltonbonce wrote:
Probably the source of all the leeks.
Laughing

946How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Sep 09 2020, 14:16

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
The country’s top lawyer resigning is unfortunate. Six top government officials resigning is Cummings taking down the government.
Same tactics as Trumpy.
And Putin.

947How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Sep 09 2020, 15:50

T.R.O.Y.


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Government statement today on the withdrawal agreement:

"The withdrawal agreement and Northern Ireland protocol aren’t like any other treaty. It was agreed at pace at the most challenging political circumstances to deliver on a clear political decision of the British people."

The only reason it was 'agreed at pace' was because Johnson put an October 31st deadline out there,

And when it was going through parliament, the government voted to have it rushed through to hit that deadline, claiming it did not need proper scrutiny. Tories who went against that were chucked out of the parliamentary party.

The brass neck on these cunts.

For all the (sometimes valid) points that Remainers have been condescending about leavers lack of understanding, or fear mongering about worst case scenarios - it actually appears those warnings are coming to fruition.

948How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Sep 09 2020, 17:32

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I don’t think that Cummings could have made his intentions any clearer. 

Just wait until all the rational and impartial civil servants have been replaced with puppets, the British media (now flagged up as no longer independent of government by the European council) have all fallen under control) and the full weight of leaving the EU kicks in and there may be no way back from the full 1984 scenario experienced in totalitarian states like Russia.

It was noticeable that the new Puppet house Speaker refused to sanction Boris for not answering the questions he was asked. 

It won’t be long before they’ll have full control and the people will no longer have a say.

949How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Sep 10 2020, 09:46

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Some of today’s fuck ups:

No US - UK trade deal ifGood Friday agreement undermined

Tory bid to keep voters sweet will cost equivalent of entire NHS budget

FTSE continues to fall  while ECB decides

And further to yesterday’s Hancockup one of my missus’ team who is self- isolating because her kid has a temperature had to drive 2 hours to a testing station that had closed down because they ran out of tests. That’s a four hour round trip in a car with a sick kid. Bastard Toerags are turning us into a third world country before our very eyes.

950How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Sep 10 2020, 11:35

T.R.O.Y.


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Rarely read the Spectator - but this is an interesting article on why we’re hurtling towards No Deal under  the Tories:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/no-10s-no-deal-dilemma

951How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Sep 10 2020, 12:27

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Interesting article but as it pointed out Boris will blame the EU for a no deal brexit and there are plenty of people stupid enough to believe him.

952How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Sep 10 2020, 12:34

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:Interesting article but as it pointed out Boris will blame the EU for a no deal brexit and there are plenty of people stupid enough to believe him.

How do you know who is to blame?

Unless you're party to the negotiations I'm not sure how you can.

Please explain with facts, not what you read in a newspaper or online.

953How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Sep 10 2020, 12:50

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
It is a fact that a new bill to amend the UK's Brexit deal with the EU will break international law. This was confirmed by a government minister on 8 September.

It is a fact that the EU has said it still wants a deal but that the UK respecting the withdrawal agreement is a prerequisite.

So if we end up with a no deal brexit because of this legislation whose fault will it be? But do you think for one moment Boris will accept any responsibility for his failure to deliver his "oven ready" deal?

954How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Sep 10 2020, 14:42

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
It will be the fault of the party that says it won’t agree to what it has already agreed.

Anyhoo hot on the heels of Hancockup being laughed out of Parliament trying to defend the failure of his testing system, the details of the government’s advice
to universities has come to light.
Apparently they’ve been told not to allow students with COVID to go home to isolate in case they spread 
it whilst travelling. Not really thought that one through has he?

955How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Sep 10 2020, 14:44

sunlight

sunlight
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Just in case anyone missed it, the Secretary of State with responsibility for food and rural affairs said on Today this morning that 40% tariffs on food imports and exports would be a good outcome.

956How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Sep 10 2020, 14:55

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@sunlight wrote:Just in case anyone missed it, the Secretary of State with responsibility for food and rural affairs said on Today this morning that 40% tariffs on food imports and exports would be a good outcome.
I think he meant 40% cost increase to the end user ie us.
But don’t worry - our good old fighting spirit will see us through.
Although civil disobedience and rioting on the streets is more likely to happen before brits flock to the fields to help grow and pick the food needed.

I wouldn’t read too much into anything George Eustice says. This is the man who just 3 days ago said the government is committed to honouring the eu withdrawal agreement (lie) - the same man who has just done a massive u-turn on badger culling.

He’s just another stupid lying Tory Cummings puppet.



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957How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Sep 10 2020, 15:04

sunlight

sunlight
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
If it turns out to be true, Brexit is idiocy.

958How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Sep 10 2020, 15:07

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@sunlight wrote:If it turns out to be true, Brexit is idiocy.
It’s idiocy anyway. It will f*** is over in so many ways let alone food prices.

959How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Sep 10 2020, 15:12

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Problem is that whilst we continue to stumble blindly along this path of nationalist ideology no matter what the cost, this government is bankrupting the country with ill conceived policies designed to distract from the real issues and keep folk sweet.
We will never recover.
Said it 4 years ago, still saying it now.

960How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Sep 10 2020, 15:16

sunlight

sunlight
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
I agree with you entrely.

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