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How is the Tory government doing?

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901How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Sep 01 2020, 16:42

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

To accumulate power, a government with authoritarian tendencies must first destroy power. It must reduce rival centres of power – the judiciary, the civil service, academia, broadcasters, local government, civil society – to satellites of its own authority, controlled from the centre, deprived of independent action. But it must do this while claiming to act in the people’s name.

902How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Sep 01 2020, 17:15

Sluffy

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okocha wrote:To accumulate power, a government with authoritarian tendencies must first destroy power. It must reduce rival centres of power – the judiciary, the civil service, academia, broadcasters, local government, civil society – to satellites of its own authority, controlled from the centre, deprived of independent action. But it must do this while claiming to act in the people’s name.

I must admit it annoys me when you in particularly post unreferenced comments such as this - clearly looking for a reaction from others.

For anybody who is interested the quote is from a bloke called George Monibot who founded the Respect Party, the one that George Galloway won a seat for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respect_Party

Monibot is a political activist who has already in turn nailed his colours to Plaid Cymru, then the Lib Dems, then The Green Party and more recently Labour of which he publicly endorsed Corbyn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Monbiot

The quote above is taken from the opinion column of the Guardian - the same one which gave voice to the mad Irish woman telling us in her expert opinion where we, the UK, went wrong in tackling the pandemic - when it turned out she wasn't an expert after all just someone with a history degree ffs!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but if you can better understand how and why they formed it, then it gives you a better understanding of the context and what agenda, if any, they may have.

Here's the link to the original article -

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/01/no-10-lobby-groups-democracy-policy-exchange


903How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Sep 01 2020, 19:27

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

On the other hand, you'd be blind if you could not see that what is stated above is exactly what is happening.

Turning a blind eye and rubbishing the sources of the words despite their truth is to let a dangerous autocracy thrive. 

And, if you feel that the choice of words seeks a reaction, that is surely the point of a site such as this, and, sure enough, you responded!

904How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Sep 01 2020, 20:37

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Sluffy, are you dismissing Monbiot as some kind of lefty nut job? Take a look at his CV. It's impressive.

Disagree with him by all means, but don't paint him as a nutter. You're the one pontificating on here about abuse, so perhaps 'the mad Irish woman' is a term of endearment.

905How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Sep 01 2020, 20:58

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boltonbonce wrote:Sluffy, are you dismissing Monbiot as some kind of lefty nut job? Take a look at his CV. It's impressive.

Disagree with him by all means, but don't paint him as a nutter. You're the one pontificating on here about abuse, so perhaps 'the mad Irish woman' is a term of endearment.

Agree about Monbiot, he’s a brilliant writer - whether you agree with him or not he has that rare ability to convey a complex argument in just a few words. 

Well worth reading up on.



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906How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Sep 01 2020, 21:05

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

boltonbonce wrote:Sluffy, are you dismissing Monbiot as some kind of lefty nut job? Take a look at his CV. It's impressive.

Disagree with him by all means, but don't paint him as a nutter.

And Bonce is the expert on nutters.

907How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Sep 01 2020, 21:21

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Natasha Whittam wrote:

And Bonce is the expert on nutters.
Well spotted Nat. No getting past you.

908How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Sep 01 2020, 21:46

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

boltonbonce wrote:Well spotted Nat. No getting past you.

True, I am by far the cleverest person on Nuts.

909How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Sep 01 2020, 21:55

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Natasha Whittam wrote:

True, I am by far the cleverest person on Nuts.
I need to watch more QI.

910How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Sep 01 2020, 22:12

Sluffy

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boltonbonce wrote:Sluffy, are you dismissing Monbiot as some kind of lefty nut job? Take a look at his CV. It's impressive.

Disagree with him by all means, but don't paint him as a nutter. You're the one pontificating on here about abuse, so perhaps 'the mad Irish woman' is a term of endearment.

Read what I wrote again, there's nothing there that isn't a fact - so how can I be painting him anything other than what he is?

Same with that female, she is Irish, she is a woman and what she did - inferring she was some sort of a specialist on the subject - which she wasn't, was quite frankly mad of her!

So pull your horns in, there's absolutely nothing I've said to get your knickers in a twist over.

911How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Sep 01 2020, 22:28

Sluffy

Sluffy
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okocha wrote:On the other hand, you'd be blind if you could not see that what is stated above is exactly what is happening.

Turning a blind eye and rubbishing the sources of the words despite their truth is to let a dangerous autocracy thrive. 

And, if you feel that the choice of words seeks a reaction, that is surely the point of a site such as this, and, sure enough, you responded!

We are not a site for trolls.

If that's what you want then go play somewhere else.

You copied a quote, all you had to do was to link to it - it's not hard and it gives the author the credit for his work.

And who are you to say I'm blind to what's going on in the world?

I was the one on here that recommended Adam Curtis film Bitter Lake some four or five years ago and he's since done HyperNormalisation.

What do you think I can do to change the world???

And I doubt you posting an unattributed quote on an internet Bolton Wanderers footy forum is going to help much either.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p02gyz6b/adam-curtis-bitter-lake

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p04b183c/adam-curtis-hypernormalisation

912How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Sep 01 2020, 22:53

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Sluffy wrote:

Read what I wrote again, there's nothing there that isn't a fact - so how can I be painting him anything other than what he is?

Same with that female, she is Irish, she is a woman and what she did - inferring she was some sort of a specialist on the subject - which she wasn't, was quite frankly mad of her!

So pull your horns in, there's absolutely nothing I've said to get your knickers in a twist over.

I'm afraid all I can do is laugh. More in pity than anything else.

913How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Sep 01 2020, 23:22

Sluffy

Sluffy
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boltonbonce wrote:
Sluffy wrote:

Read what I wrote again, there's nothing there that isn't a fact - so how can I be painting him anything other than what he is?

Same with that female, she is Irish, she is a woman and what she did - inferring she was some sort of a specialist on the subject - which she wasn't, was quite frankly mad of her!

So pull your horns in, there's absolutely nothing I've said to get your knickers in a twist over.

I'm afraid all I can do is laugh. More in pity than anything else.

Laugh as much as you like - I stand by all I said.

You've seen something that simply was never there in my post.

You've put your own interpretation on it, you've read in to it what you wanted to see.

Pity me as much as you want, I certainly won't be losing any sleep over it.

914How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Sep 02 2020, 01:24

finlaymcdanger

finlaymcdanger
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

..dunno..

915How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Sep 02 2020, 07:42

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

Sluffy wrote:

Laugh as much as you like - I stand by all I said.

You've seen something that simply was never there in my post.

You've put your own interpretation on it, you've read in to it what you wanted to see.

Pity me as much as you want, I certainly won't be losing any sleep over it.

Rolling Eyes

916How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Sep 02 2020, 08:03

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Razz

917How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Sep 02 2020, 08:09

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

You're all forgetting rule number one on this Banana Republic site fellas - The owner is always right and must not be disagreed with or questioned.

Be careful or he'll have you removed to the salt mines for 10 years hard labour.

918How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Sep 02 2020, 08:17

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Norpig wrote:You're all forgetting rule number one on this Banana Republic site fellas - The owner is always right and must not be disagreed with or questioned.

Be careful or he'll have you removed to the salt mines for 10 years hard labour.

919How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Sep 02 2020, 08:33

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

Norpig wrote:You're all forgetting rule number one on this Banana Republic site fellas - The owner is always right and must not be disagreed with or questioned.

Be careful or he'll have you removed to the salt mines for 10 years hard labour.

Laughing

920How is the Tory government doing? - Page 46 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Sep 02 2020, 08:51

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Sluffy wrote:

We are not a site for trolls.

If that's what you want then go play somewhere else.

You copied a quote, all you had to do was to link to it - it's not hard and it gives the author the credit for his work.

And who are you to say I'm blind to what's going on in the world?

I was the one on here that recommended Adam Curtis film Bitter Lake some four or five years ago and he's since done HyperNormalisation.

What do you think I can do to change the world???

And I doubt you posting an unattributed quote on an internet Bolton Wanderers footy forum is going to help much either.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p02gyz6b/adam-curtis-bitter-lake

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p04b183c/adam-curtis-hypernormalisation

Sluffy:

 1. With all due respect, I'm not a troll, and I don't play games on serious topics. I often write what I believe to be true and too important for game-playing. That balances out some of the more light-hearted stuff I read and write.

2. I didn't realise that it was a rule on here that quoting someone's words required a link to be posted. In actual fact, I quoted from the BBC website. (Whoever wrote the words there did not quote a source either, by the way. I didn't even realise they were originally someone else's!)

3. If I find something I totally agree with, written precisely and concisely in a way which I would be unable to better, I use their wisdom rather than try to re-phrase it. I don't expect you or anyone else to necessarily agree. I just thought that the words were insightful.

4. I do agree with you that posting on here is not going to influence the world or the government.

5. I do apologise if I have offended your expectations about unattributed quotes.
I will try to do better in future.

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