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901How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 01 2020, 16:42

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
To accumulate power, a government with authoritarian tendencies must first destroy power. It must reduce rival centres of power – the judiciary, the civil service, academia, broadcasters, local government, civil society – to satellites of its own authority, controlled from the centre, deprived of independent action. But it must do this while claiming to act in the people’s name.

902How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 01 2020, 17:15

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@okocha wrote:To accumulate power, a government with authoritarian tendencies must first destroy power. It must reduce rival centres of power – the judiciary, the civil service, academia, broadcasters, local government, civil society – to satellites of its own authority, controlled from the centre, deprived of independent action. But it must do this while claiming to act in the people’s name.

I must admit it annoys me when you in particularly post unreferenced comments such as this - clearly looking for a reaction from others.

For anybody who is interested the quote is from a bloke called George Monibot who founded the Respect Party, the one that George Galloway won a seat for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respect_Party

Monibot is a political activist who has already in turn nailed his colours to Plaid Cymru, then the Lib Dems, then The Green Party and more recently Labour of which he publicly endorsed Corbyn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Monbiot

The quote above is taken from the opinion column of the Guardian - the same one which gave voice to the mad Irish woman telling us in her expert opinion where we, the UK, went wrong in tackling the pandemic - when it turned out she wasn't an expert after all just someone with a history degree ffs!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but if you can better understand how and why they formed it, then it gives you a better understanding of the context and what agenda, if any, they may have.

Here's the link to the original article -

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/01/no-10-lobby-groups-democracy-policy-exchange


903How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 01 2020, 19:27

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
On the other hand, you'd be blind if you could not see that what is stated above is exactly what is happening.

Turning a blind eye and rubbishing the sources of the words despite their truth is to let a dangerous autocracy thrive. 

And, if you feel that the choice of words seeks a reaction, that is surely the point of a site such as this, and, sure enough, you responded!

904How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 01 2020, 20:37

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Sluffy, are you dismissing Monbiot as some kind of lefty nut job? Take a look at his CV. It's impressive.

Disagree with him by all means, but don't paint him as a nutter. You're the one pontificating on here about abuse, so perhaps 'the mad Irish woman' is a term of endearment.

905How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 01 2020, 20:58

T.R.O.Y.


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@boltonbonce wrote:Sluffy, are you dismissing Monbiot as some kind of lefty nut job? Take a look at his CV. It's impressive.

Disagree with him by all means, but don't paint him as a nutter. You're the one pontificating on here about abuse, so perhaps 'the mad Irish woman' is a term of endearment.

Agree about Monbiot, he’s a brilliant writer - whether you agree with him or not he has that rare ability to convey a complex argument in just a few words. 

Well worth reading up on.



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906How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 01 2020, 21:05

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@boltonbonce wrote:Sluffy, are you dismissing Monbiot as some kind of lefty nut job? Take a look at his CV. It's impressive.

Disagree with him by all means, but don't paint him as a nutter.

And Bonce is the expert on nutters.

907How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 01 2020, 21:21

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Natasha Whittam wrote:

And Bonce is the expert on nutters.
Well spotted Nat. No getting past you.

908How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 01 2020, 21:46

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@boltonbonce wrote:Well spotted Nat. No getting past you.

True, I am by far the cleverest person on Nuts.

909How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 01 2020, 21:55

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Natasha Whittam wrote:

True, I am by far the cleverest person on Nuts.
I need to watch more QI.

910How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 01 2020, 22:12

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@boltonbonce wrote:Sluffy, are you dismissing Monbiot as some kind of lefty nut job? Take a look at his CV. It's impressive.

Disagree with him by all means, but don't paint him as a nutter. You're the one pontificating on here about abuse, so perhaps 'the mad Irish woman' is a term of endearment.

Read what I wrote again, there's nothing there that isn't a fact - so how can I be painting him anything other than what he is?

Same with that female, she is Irish, she is a woman and what she did - inferring she was some sort of a specialist on the subject - which she wasn't, was quite frankly mad of her!

So pull your horns in, there's absolutely nothing I've said to get your knickers in a twist over.

911How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 01 2020, 22:28

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@okocha wrote:On the other hand, you'd be blind if you could not see that what is stated above is exactly what is happening.

Turning a blind eye and rubbishing the sources of the words despite their truth is to let a dangerous autocracy thrive. 

And, if you feel that the choice of words seeks a reaction, that is surely the point of a site such as this, and, sure enough, you responded!

We are not a site for trolls.

If that's what you want then go play somewhere else.

You copied a quote, all you had to do was to link to it - it's not hard and it gives the author the credit for his work.

And who are you to say I'm blind to what's going on in the world?

I was the one on here that recommended Adam Curtis film Bitter Lake some four or five years ago and he's since done HyperNormalisation.

What do you think I can do to change the world???

And I doubt you posting an unattributed quote on an internet Bolton Wanderers footy forum is going to help much either.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p02gyz6b/adam-curtis-bitter-lake

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p04b183c/adam-curtis-hypernormalisation

912How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 01 2020, 22:53

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Sluffy wrote:

Read what I wrote again, there's nothing there that isn't a fact - so how can I be painting him anything other than what he is?

Same with that female, she is Irish, she is a woman and what she did - inferring she was some sort of a specialist on the subject - which she wasn't, was quite frankly mad of her!

So pull your horns in, there's absolutely nothing I've said to get your knickers in a twist over.

I'm afraid all I can do is laugh. More in pity than anything else.

913How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Sep 01 2020, 23:22

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@boltonbonce wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

Read what I wrote again, there's nothing there that isn't a fact - so how can I be painting him anything other than what he is?

Same with that female, she is Irish, she is a woman and what she did - inferring she was some sort of a specialist on the subject - which she wasn't, was quite frankly mad of her!

So pull your horns in, there's absolutely nothing I've said to get your knickers in a twist over.

I'm afraid all I can do is laugh. More in pity than anything else.

Laugh as much as you like - I stand by all I said.

You've seen something that simply was never there in my post.

You've put your own interpretation on it, you've read in to it what you wanted to see.

Pity me as much as you want, I certainly won't be losing any sleep over it.

914How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Sep 02 2020, 01:24

finlaymcdanger

finlaymcdanger
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
..dunno..

915How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Sep 02 2020, 07:42

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@Sluffy wrote:

Laugh as much as you like - I stand by all I said.

You've seen something that simply was never there in my post.

You've put your own interpretation on it, you've read in to it what you wanted to see.

Pity me as much as you want, I certainly won't be losing any sleep over it.

Rolling Eyes

916How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Sep 02 2020, 08:03

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Razz

917How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Sep 02 2020, 08:09

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
You're all forgetting rule number one on this Banana Republic site fellas - The owner is always right and must not be disagreed with or questioned.

Be careful or he'll have you removed to the salt mines for 10 years hard labour.

918How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Sep 02 2020, 08:17

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Norpig wrote:You're all forgetting rule number one on this Banana Republic site fellas - The owner is always right and must not be disagreed with or questioned.

Be careful or he'll have you removed to the salt mines for 10 years hard labour.

919How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Sep 02 2020, 08:33

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@Norpig wrote:You're all forgetting rule number one on this Banana Republic site fellas - The owner is always right and must not be disagreed with or questioned.

Be careful or he'll have you removed to the salt mines for 10 years hard labour.

Laughing

920How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Sep 02 2020, 08:51

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Sluffy wrote:

We are not a site for trolls.

If that's what you want then go play somewhere else.

You copied a quote, all you had to do was to link to it - it's not hard and it gives the author the credit for his work.

And who are you to say I'm blind to what's going on in the world?

I was the one on here that recommended Adam Curtis film Bitter Lake some four or five years ago and he's since done HyperNormalisation.

What do you think I can do to change the world???

And I doubt you posting an unattributed quote on an internet Bolton Wanderers footy forum is going to help much either.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p02gyz6b/adam-curtis-bitter-lake

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p04b183c/adam-curtis-hypernormalisation

Sluffy:

 1. With all due respect, I'm not a troll, and I don't play games on serious topics. I often write what I believe to be true and too important for game-playing. That balances out some of the more light-hearted stuff I read and write.

2. I didn't realise that it was a rule on here that quoting someone's words required a link to be posted. In actual fact, I quoted from the BBC website. (Whoever wrote the words there did not quote a source either, by the way. I didn't even realise they were originally someone else's!)

3. If I find something I totally agree with, written precisely and concisely in a way which I would be unable to better, I use their wisdom rather than try to re-phrase it. I don't expect you or anyone else to necessarily agree. I just thought that the words were insightful.

4. I do agree with you that posting on here is not going to influence the world or the government.

5. I do apologise if I have offended your expectations about unattributed quotes.
I will try to do better in future.

921How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Sep 02 2020, 16:09

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Unknow21
A few moments of peace from Pablo.

922How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Sep 04 2020, 19:47

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
The appointment of Tony Abbott is yet another example of the government's complete lack of judgement and morality....the one time where a u-turn would have been wise!

923How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Sep 06 2020, 18:37

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Rashford slams MP's tweet about feeding children  (BBC Home Page)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-54047598

Is there any end to the lack of Tory empathy?

924How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Sep 06 2020, 22:40

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@okocha wrote:Rashford slams MP's tweet about feeding children  (BBC Home Page)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-54047598

Is there any end to the lack of Tory empathy?

I'm not a Tory but I've had dealings with those classed as deprived in the community over the years and it's not uncommon to see multiple expensive phones, the latest expensive toys - used to be Wii's Xboxes, PlayStation now it is motorised scooters, drones, hoverboards etc, TV's that cover half the wall, weed, ciggies and booze on show, and numerous tattoos and even cosmetic surgery, and lip fillers clearly visible.  The houses usually contain numerous pet animals as well.

Quite a few have little jobs on the side whilst claiming benefits, including single person council tax even though the dad/latest boyfriend is living their too and more often than not working.

For balance though the rich and good are not saints either.

It's a game that is played whereby as long as the state or someone is kind enough to help, and continues to do so, then people will take advantage.

I've no doubt Rashford means well and maybe did genuinely come from a deprived background but many who are classed as such now certainly have no incentive to get themselves out of it - why should they if it means someone else taking responsibility for feeding their kids will allow them to spend their money on a new tattoo or get their nails touched up again?

That's the world we live in.

925How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Sep 06 2020, 22:49

T.R.O.Y.


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
What’s your solution then?

926How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Sep 06 2020, 23:23

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:What’s your solution then?

I don't have one.

It's not my problem and I don't worry about it.

I have taken seriously my responsibilities for my child - that's what it's about for me.  I love her and been happy. proud and privileged to give her a chance in life, and she's taken the opportunity to have gone to university and had a gap year traveling the world, so she's got qualifications and life experience behind her already.  I've been able to give her that start in life because I've worked hard, sacrificed and studied such as to have made a good career for myself.

How others choose to live their lives and deal with their kids is between them - and in these cases - the state.

Why anyone wouldn't want the best for their own children is incomprehensible to me - but unfortunately plenty don't seem to care too much about it.

927How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Sep 07 2020, 09:21

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Sluffy wrote:


It's not my problem and I don't worry about it.

No, this attitude is "the world we live in."

The difference between William Golding's views on mankind and John Steinbeck's.

Better still, watch All My Sons, by Henry Miller.

928How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Sep 07 2020, 11:11

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
As Jesse Jackson said, 'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping them up'.

929How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Sep 07 2020, 12:29

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Boris and co. plumb new depths of dishonesty and untrustworthyness.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54025314

 Which country would even contemplate deals with us when they would clearly not be worth the paper they're written on?

930How is the Tory government doing? - Page 31 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Sep 07 2020, 12:45

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@okocha wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:It's not my problem and I don't worry about it
No, this attitude is "the world we live in."

The difference between William Golding's views on mankind and John Steinbeck's.

Better still, watch All My Sons, by Henry Miller.

Haven't a clue what you are talking about.

My philosophy is that you look after your own first and then if you are able to, you help others who can then be in a position to be able to help themselves again.

I've learned through much personal experience that it is just a  waste of time and resources helping them who choose not to help themselves for whatever reasons.

And if you want a reference for my attitude then I give you Albert Einstein - "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result".

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