How is the Tory government doing?

A few moments of peace from Pablo.

The appointment of Tony Abbott is yet another example of the government's complete lack of judgement and morality....the one time where a u-turn would have been wise!

Rashford slams MP's tweet about feeding children  (BBC Home Page)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-54047598

Is there any end to the lack of Tory empathy?

okocha wrote:Rashford slams MP's tweet about feeding children  (BBC Home Page)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-54047598

Is there any end to the lack of Tory empathy?

I'm not a Tory but I've had dealings with those classed as deprived in the community over the years and it's not uncommon to see multiple expensive phones, the latest expensive toys - used to be Wii's Xboxes, PlayStation now it is motorised scooters, drones, hoverboards etc, TV's that cover half the wall, weed, ciggies and booze on show, and numerous tattoos and even cosmetic surgery, and lip fillers clearly visible.  The houses usually contain numerous pet animals as well.

Quite a few have little jobs on the side whilst claiming benefits, including single person council tax even though the dad/latest boyfriend is living their too and more often than not working.

For balance though the rich and good are not saints either.

It's a game that is played whereby as long as the state or someone is kind enough to help, and continues to do so, then people will take advantage.

I've no doubt Rashford means well and maybe did genuinely come from a deprived background but many who are classed as such now certainly have no incentive to get themselves out of it - why should they if it means someone else taking responsibility for feeding their kids will allow them to spend their money on a new tattoo or get their nails touched up again?

That's the world we live in.

What’s your solution then?

T.R.O.Y. wrote:What’s your solution then?

I don't have one.

It's not my problem and I don't worry about it.

I have taken seriously my responsibilities for my child - that's what it's about for me.  I love her and been happy. proud and privileged to give her a chance in life, and she's taken the opportunity to have gone to university and had a gap year traveling the world, so she's got qualifications and life experience behind her already.  I've been able to give her that start in life because I've worked hard, sacrificed and studied such as to have made a good career for myself.

How others choose to live their lives and deal with their kids is between them - and in these cases - the state.

Why anyone wouldn't want the best for their own children is incomprehensible to me - but unfortunately plenty don't seem to care too much about it.

Sluffy wrote:


It's not my problem and I don't worry about it.

No, this attitude is "the world we live in."

The difference between William Golding's views on mankind and John Steinbeck's.

Better still, watch All My Sons, by Henry Miller.

As Jesse Jackson said, 'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping them up'.

Boris and co. plumb new depths of dishonesty and untrustworthyness.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54025314

 Which country would even contemplate deals with us when they would clearly not be worth the paper they're written on?

okocha wrote:

Sluffy wrote:It's not my problem and I don't worry about it

No, this attitude is "the world we live in."

The difference between William Golding's views on mankind and John Steinbeck's.

Better still, watch All My Sons, by Henry Miller.

Haven't a clue what you are talking about.

My philosophy is that you look after your own first and then if you are able to, you help others who can then be in a position to be able to help themselves again.

I've learned through much personal experience that it is just a  waste of time and resources helping them who choose not to help themselves for whatever reasons.

And if you want a reference for my attitude then I give you Albert Einstein - "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result".

Einstein was quite a guy.

'Only a life lived for others is a life worthwhile'.

So Boris has decided that his “oven- ready“ Brexit deal 
- the one he got rid of Theresa May with
- the one that he denied scrutiny of by illegally proroguing parliament 
- the one he tricked the Queen into signing 
- the so far very, very, very expensive one

...is not fit for purpose?
 
Failure is becoming an art form.

But don’t worry - he’ll instruct the negotiators to be such twats that he’ll be able to blame the EU for walking away from the talks - when we end up with the No Deal we warned about 4 years ago.

#nevergettingbrexitdone

Independent running a story today on the British Retail Consortiums projection for increases in food prices in January and it was interesting to see that although that they vary enormously eg only 12% increase for cucumbers but a whopping 48% increase for minced beef.

I’d assumed that no deal brexit price increases would be proportionately the same across the board but seems like they won’t be.

Realistically we can probably backfill the shortfall in fruit and veg production in the summer months (if we force jobseekers to pick it) but our dependency on imports will kick in during the winter months when we haven’t got the climate to produce our own.

Where is the game of brinkmanship going to get us? We are in real danger now of there being no deal at all which is probably what Boris and his cronies wanted all along.

The myth of Brexit has unravelled now, reality has caught up with the rhetoric.

We can't leave with a deal better than what we already had (which was by far the best deal out of all member states by the way) while still fulfilling the leave campaigns commitments on immigration, fishing and the courts.

As Boris can't deliver on those criteria his only option is to go for a no-deal and keep the hardliners happy. His strategy of government it is to survive day-to-day, so if that means short term glory for long term suffering he'll take it.

T.R.O.Y. wrote:The myth of Brexit has unravelled now, reality has caught up with the rhetoric.

We can't leave with a deal better than what we already had (which was by far the best deal out of all member states by the way) while still fulfilling the leave campaigns commitments on immigration, fishing and the courts.

As Boris can't deliver on those criteria his only option is to go for a no-deal and keep the hardliners happy. His strategy of government it is to survive day-to-day, so if that means short term glory for long term suffering he'll take it.

Second rule of Politics.

It's easy to see how the game is played once you know the two rules!

T.R.O.Y. wrote:The myth of Brexit has unravelled now, reality has caught up with the rhetoric.

We can't leave with a deal better than what we already had (which was by far the best deal out of all member states by the way) while still fulfilling the leave campaigns commitments on immigration, fishing and the courts.

As Boris can't deliver on those criteria his only option is to go for a no-deal and keep the hardliners happy. His strategy of government it is to survive day-to-day, so if that means short term glory for long term suffering he'll take it.

Well I can’t see Boris or the super rich architects of Brexit suffering at all.

It’s the working class mugs who were conned into voting for it who are likely to take the pain - along with the young and the vulnerable.
  
And the old leavers are dying off anyway...

wanderlust wrote:

T.R.O.Y. wrote:The myth of Brexit has unravelled now, reality has caught up with the rhetoric.

We can't leave with a deal better than what we already had (which was by far the best deal out of all member states by the way) while still fulfilling the leave campaigns commitments on immigration, fishing and the courts.

As Boris can't deliver on those criteria his only option is to go for a no-deal and keep the hardliners happy. His strategy of government it is to survive day-to-day, so if that means short term glory for long term suffering he'll take it.

Well I can’t see Boris or the super rich architects of Brexit suffering at all.

It’s the working class mugs who were conned into voting for it who are likely to take the pain - along with the young and the vulnerable.
  
And the old leavers are dying off anyway...

I not only find that extremely offensive and completely insensitive and disrespectful to posters you know on here (and their age and state of healthy) but also highly hypocritical coming from someone close to seventy yourself who voted FOR Brexit.

T.R.O.Y. wrote:The myth of Brexit has unravelled now, reality has caught up with the rhetoric.

We can't leave with a deal better than what we already had (which was by far the best deal out of all member states by the way) while still fulfilling the leave campaigns commitments on immigration, fishing and the courts.

As Boris can't deliver on those criteria his only option is to go for a no-deal and keep the hardliners happy. His strategy of government it is to survive day-to-day, so if that means short term glory for long term suffering he'll take it.

Totally true and yet there are still plenty of people gullible enough to believe the lies Boris spouts.

`They` are saying that Brexit will turn into a cold war.