Of today's looming Brexit crises (international payments not being processed, Intel discounting Britain as the site for their new megaplant etc) surprisingly it's the fishing row that carries the immediate threat to consumers as Macron has suggested that if Boris doesn't start playing nicely re fishing permits he may stop exporting energy to the UK as we are a net importer.
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242 Re: Brexit Watch Thu 7 Oct - 13:10
Whitesince63
El Hadji Diouf
The problem is, thanks to joining the EU and especially with Blair allowing in hordes of Eastern European’s to keep wages low, we’ve now achieved exactly what he wanted. We are a low wage society whilst the likes of Poland Rumania and Lithuania have improved their economy making it unnecessary for these people to now come here. Sadly the damage is done so it’s no surprise that after returning back home HGV drivers, Care Workers, Fruit pickers, tradesmen et al don’t want to return to the UK.
Good I say because we now need to stop relying on these people and start accepting that we need to raise standards, wages and infrastructure to encourage our own people to do these jobs, as they did perfectly well before we ever joined the stinking EU in the 50’s.
Of course things will be tough. Much labour has returned home and the EU, totally as expected, are applying every tactic they can to punish the UK for daring to leave their club. Many of the things we import from them we can produce here or purchase elsewhere but it will take time to build supply chains. Hopefully the reliance on our near neighbours will increasingly reduce and as they gradually deteriorate with their expensive and bureaucratic over regulations, we can prosper from the new economies we will deal with.
Good I say because we now need to stop relying on these people and start accepting that we need to raise standards, wages and infrastructure to encourage our own people to do these jobs, as they did perfectly well before we ever joined the stinking EU in the 50’s.
Of course things will be tough. Much labour has returned home and the EU, totally as expected, are applying every tactic they can to punish the UK for daring to leave their club. Many of the things we import from them we can produce here or purchase elsewhere but it will take time to build supply chains. Hopefully the reliance on our near neighbours will increasingly reduce and as they gradually deteriorate with their expensive and bureaucratic over regulations, we can prosper from the new economies we will deal with.
243 Re: Brexit Watch Thu 7 Oct - 23:15
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Good points well made. Most of them won't come back simply because we now insist on a passport and none of them have one - because they've never needed one to travel and work throughout Europe.Whitesince63 wrote:The problem is, thanks to joining the EU and especially with Blair allowing in hordes of Eastern European’s to keep wages low, we’ve now achieved exactly what he wanted. We are a low wage society whilst the likes of Poland Rumania and Lithuania have improved their economy making it unnecessary for these people to now come here. Sadly the damage is done so it’s no surprise that after returning back home HGV drivers, Care Workers, Fruit pickers, tradesmen et al don’t want to return to the UK.
Good I say because we now need to stop relying on these people and start accepting that we need to raise standards, wages and infrastructure to encourage our own people to do these jobs, as they did perfectly well before we ever joined the stinking EU in the 50’s.
Of course things will be tough. Much labour has returned home and the EU, totally as expected, are applying every tactic they can to punish the UK for daring to leave their club. Many of the things we import from them we can produce here or purchase elsewhere but it will take time to build supply chains. Hopefully the reliance on our near neighbours will increasingly reduce and as they gradually deteriorate with their expensive and bureaucratic over regulations, we can prosper from the new economies we will deal with.
Question is will the idle British be forced into doing jobs that most think are beneath them?
One point though: It was the British people that voted to join the EU - by a massive majority - because of the god awful mess our independent country was in. Europe saved us.
It's a bit disingenuous to blame Blair given that pro European Tories like Heath and Thatcher sucked it up - until it was politically expedient to do a U turn.
Anyhoo, if EU membership is responsible for low wages in Britain, why are wages so high in Europe?
245 Re: Brexit Watch Wed 13 Oct - 13:48
okocha
El Hadji Diouf
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58898117
It is claimed that our country can't be trusted on trade deals. Quelle surprise!
It is claimed that our country can't be trusted on trade deals. Quelle surprise!
246 Re: Brexit Watch Wed 13 Oct - 13:58
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Politician can't be trusted shocker!
I've never heard anyone say that before.
I've never heard anyone say that before.
247 Re: Brexit Watch Thu 14 Oct - 1:09
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Pretty sure I haven't heard a representative of a foreign government say in public specifically that the British government can't be trusted to uphold a deal they've signed up to before.Natasha Whittam wrote:Politician can't be trusted shocker!
I've never heard anyone say that before.
Anyhow as more energy companies crash, is it becoming more likely that the Tories will adopt a program of re-nationalising core services i.e. survive by adopting a traditional socialist policy? Did it with a railway company the other week so it could be on the cards.
248 Re: Brexit Watch Thu 14 Oct - 17:27
boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
This is getting serious.
"A Harry Potter wand used to be £20, now it's going to be £35-£40. All of the shops are running out of stock."
"A Harry Potter wand used to be £20, now it's going to be £35-£40. All of the shops are running out of stock."
250 Re: Brexit Watch Sun 17 Oct - 12:41
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Business insolvencies have hit new high in the last 6 months.
According to the Bank of England, higher borrowing is to blame for putting more businesses at risk.
It said: “The increase in debt – though moderate in aggregate – has likely led to increases in the number and scale of more vulnerable businesses.
As the economy recovers and government support, including restrictions on winding up orders, falls away, business insolvencies are expected to increase from historically low levels.”
Last month, it emerged that Brexit-related trade barriers have risen to £2.2 billion in UK businesses costs in the first half of this year.
An additional £600 million in costs hit British importers since January according to HMRC data. The cause has been identified as Brexit, because the taxes were not required for EU imports when the Britain was in the single market."
Meanwhile, Frost - from his holiday location in Spain - has demanded that the EU completely rewrite the NI protocol agreement.
Despite Johnson lauding the deal he signed up to as "a great deal for Britain" it would seem that the government are now seeking confrontation with the EU in order to provide a scapegoat for their own failings.
According to the Bank of England, higher borrowing is to blame for putting more businesses at risk.
It said: “The increase in debt – though moderate in aggregate – has likely led to increases in the number and scale of more vulnerable businesses.
As the economy recovers and government support, including restrictions on winding up orders, falls away, business insolvencies are expected to increase from historically low levels.”
Last month, it emerged that Brexit-related trade barriers have risen to £2.2 billion in UK businesses costs in the first half of this year.
An additional £600 million in costs hit British importers since January according to HMRC data. The cause has been identified as Brexit, because the taxes were not required for EU imports when the Britain was in the single market."
Meanwhile, Frost - from his holiday location in Spain - has demanded that the EU completely rewrite the NI protocol agreement.
Despite Johnson lauding the deal he signed up to as "a great deal for Britain" it would seem that the government are now seeking confrontation with the EU in order to provide a scapegoat for their own failings.
251 Re: Brexit Watch Mon 18 Oct - 12:35
Whitesince63
El Hadji Diouf
wanderlust wrote:Business insolvencies have hit new high in the last 6 months.
According to the Bank of England, higher borrowing is to blame for putting more businesses at risk.
It said: “The increase in debt – though moderate in aggregate – has likely led to increases in the number and scale of more vulnerable businesses.
As the economy recovers and government support, including restrictions on winding up orders, falls away, business insolvencies are expected to increase from historically low levels.”
Last month, it emerged that Brexit-related trade barriers have risen to £2.2 billion in UK businesses costs in the first half of this year.
An additional £600 million in costs hit British importers since January according to HMRC data. The cause has been identified as Brexit, because the taxes were not required for EU imports when the Britain was in the single market."
Meanwhile, Frost - from his holiday location in Spain - has demanded that the EU completely rewrite the NI protocol agreement.
Despite Johnson lauding the deal he signed up to as "a great deal for Britain" it would seem that the government are now seeking confrontation with the EU in order to provide a scapegoat for their own failings.
As usual wander, like most remain voters you only pick out the bits that show Brexit negatively. You could easily have mentioned that inward investment into the UK is at its highest ever level, the AUCUS deal or the new trade deals that we’ve done outside the EU, or the projections that the City of London would be trashed by moves by business to the EU were completely unfounded as more European companies open offices within the square mile.
Everybody can accept and indeed expected business with Europe to decline early on as businesses adapt to new regulations and the obvious punishment tactics from the EU came into effect. Boris did sign the agreement which again everybody at the time new was a bad deal but it was essential Brexit was completed ASAP. That said, there was within the agreement scope to discuss problem areas and amend them and in fact every contract or agreement has that facility. Like it or not we have left the EU and it does no good keep looking for negative factors whilst ignoring the huge possibilities our new freedoms present us with. Unless we all accept where we are and try to make the best of it we won’t get anywhere.
252 Re: Brexit Watch Mon 18 Oct - 15:00
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Whitesince63 wrote:As usual wander, like most remain voters you only pick out the bits that show Brexit negatively. You could easily have mentioned that inward investment into the UK is at its highest ever level, the AUCUS deal or the new trade deals that we’ve done outside the EU, or the projections that the City of London would be trashed by moves by business to the EU were completely unfounded as more European companies open offices within the square mile.
Everybody can accept and indeed expected business with Europe to decline early on as businesses adapt to new regulations and the obvious punishment tactics from the EU came into effect. Boris did sign the agreement which again everybody at the time new was a bad deal but it was essential Brexit was completed ASAP. That said, there was within the agreement scope to discuss problem areas and amend them and in fact every contract or agreement has that facility. Like it or not we have left the EU and it does no good keep looking for negative factors whilst ignoring the huge possibilities our new freedoms present us with. Unless we all accept where we are and try to make the best of it we won’t get anywhere.
Top post. Brexit is far from perfect but the long term benefits will massively outweigh the short term negatives. Huge change always brings challenges.
253 Re: Brexit Watch Mon 18 Oct - 16:14
Guest
Guest
Whitesince63 wrote:As usual wander, like most remain voters you only pick out the bits that show Brexit negatively. You could easily have mentioned that inward investment into the UK is at its highest ever level, the AUCUS deal or the new trade deals that we’ve done outside the EU, or the projections that the City of London would be trashed by moves by business to the EU were completely unfounded as more European companies open offices within the square mile.
Everybody can accept and indeed expected business with Europe to decline early on as businesses adapt to new regulations and the obvious punishment tactics from the EU came into effect. Boris did sign the agreement which again everybody at the time new was a bad deal but it was essential Brexit was completed ASAP. That said, there was within the agreement scope to discuss problem areas and amend them and in fact every contract or agreement has that facility. Like it or not we have left the EU and it does no good keep looking for negative factors whilst ignoring the huge possibilities our new freedoms present us with. Unless we all accept where we are and try to make the best of it we won’t get anywhere.
Rubbish post.
1. Why are you championing AUKUS?
2. Why are you presenting the impact on City of London as a positive?
"440 firms in the banking and finance industry in the UK that have responded to Brexit by relocating part of their business, moving some staff, or setting up new entities in the EU. Banks have moved or are moving more than £900bn in assets from the UK to the EU, and insurance firms and asset managers have transferred more than £100bn in assets and funds."
3. Which trade deals? Have they filled the gap of the EU or have the potential too? No.
4. Everyone knew it was a bad deal, do you really need me to post evidence of pundits and Tories alike praising it as a brilliant deal? Give over.
We are stuck with Brexit for now, but don't sit there pretending it's been anything but a disaster. Delusions of Brexiteers like you are what took us to a hard Brexit and what are keeping us in the shit.
We could have left the EU without doing this, none of this was necessary. I blame the politicians for lying to you in the first place, but now you have the evidence stop deluding yourself.
254 Re: Brexit Watch Mon 18 Oct - 16:18
Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Genuine question and not try to wind up people, but was Brexit worth it if it causes Northern Ireland to go back to the bad old days? Its in the news regularly that the Unionists are far from happy with the sea border and all the extra checks its caused.
Shouldn't the Good Friday agreement have been taken into more consideration when Brexit was being voted on?
Shouldn't the Good Friday agreement have been taken into more consideration when Brexit was being voted on?
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256 Re: Brexit Watch Mon 18 Oct - 16:35
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
T.R.O.Y. wrote:
We are stuck with Brexit for now, but don't sit there pretending it's been anything but a disaster. Delusions of Brexiteers like you are what took us to a hard Brexit and what are keeping us in the shit.
We could have left the EU without doing this, none of this was necessary. I blame the politicians for lying to you in the first place, but now you have the evidence stop deluding yourself.
257 Re: Brexit Watch Mon 18 Oct - 16:39
Guest
Guest
You just rated the worst ever post on here as 'top', your credit round here has slipped.
258 Re: Brexit Watch Mon 18 Oct - 16:46
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
T.R.O.Y. wrote:You just rated the worst ever post on here as 'top', your credit round here has slipped.
It was a top post because it was a bit of positivity.
This is a football forum, do I really need to read the same post rehashed day after day after day?
You don't like or agree with Brexit. I get it. No need to labour the point.
260 Re: Brexit Watch Mon 18 Oct - 17:14
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
PS: According to my troll I'm not a remain voter BTWWhitesince63 wrote:
As usual wander, like most remain voters you only pick out the bits that show Brexit negatively. You could easily have mentioned that inward investment into the UK is at its highest ever level, the AUCUS deal or the new trade deals that we’ve done outside the EU, or the projections that the City of London would be trashed by moves by business to the EU were completely unfounded as more European companies open offices within the square mile.
Everybody can accept and indeed expected business with Europe to decline early on as businesses adapt to new regulations and the obvious punishment tactics from the EU came into effect. Boris did sign the agreement which again everybody at the time new was a bad deal but it was essential Brexit was completed ASAP. That said, there was within the agreement scope to discuss problem areas and amend them and in fact every contract or agreement has that facility. Like it or not we have left the EU and it does no good keep looking for negative factors whilst ignoring the huge possibilities our new freedoms present us with. Unless we all accept where we are and try to make the best of it we won’t get anywhere.
...but if I were I'd say I respect your opinion but a couple of points of order:
1. Brexit isn't done.
The government is trying to tear up the "great deal for the UK" NI agreement that they signed up to, the "agreement" on fisheries is under dispute and there are a whole host of other arrangements that the Tories are reneging on - with the EU, their former partners in crime the DUP and the people that voted for them.
To quote the pig farmer on Woman's Hour "I voted for Brexit for people to be more patriotic, but I didn't vote for this" (Killing he stock before it gets to market) Pig ignorance I guess but TBF they never actually said what Brexit was did they? Apart from Brexit.
2. The "trade deals" they promised would be easy as "falling off a log".
Where to begin? USA? No chance. Australia? For the first time in history they've conceded open access to the UK farmer's market and opened up the UK to cheaper foreign goods that UK farmers won't be able to compete with. Worse still they're preparing to roll over for the likes of Argentina and other major agricultural producers - whilst simultaneously excluding non-UK workers who have been critical to growing, harvesting, packing, processing and delivering our food. Exporters are facing unprecedented costs, importers and manufacturers too and the wheels are coming off the economy - which despite what you say is still smaller than it was before the pandemic and is growing slower than other developed nations. Just today, the IMF have downgraded our forecast.
It's an absolute train wreck and it will hit everyone sooner or later.
3. City of London
Financial output has fallen and tax revenues from the City of London are forecast to continue falling by £5 billion this year. what are you talking about?
4.
White wrote:it does no good keep looking for negative factors whilst ignoring the huge possibilities our new freedoms present us with. Unless we all accept where we are and try to make the best of it we won’t get anywhere
New freedoms? Name one.
Freedom to live on an island with more new Covid cases than the rest of Europe combined? Freedom to have less choice in the shops? Freedom to join a five year waiting list for medical attention? Freedom to pay more for everything? Freedom to do without stuff I can no longer get or can't be delivered? Freedom to have to fill in a mountain of paperwork every time I go on holiday? Freedom to watch the less fortunate members of our society increasingly struggle?
Why "accept where we are and try to make the best of it"? That makes no sense whatsoever. The country is going to pot so your suggestion is to sit by and let it happen? Really?
If I wanted to try to make the best of it I'd join a protest about it as part of my freedom of public assembly - but hang on - aren't the Tories currently trying to push through a bill to remove that freedom?
Wake up and smell the coffee man. It's a disaster and as soon as people man up and accept they were lied to, the sooner we can get on with the job of getting the country back on track.
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