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142 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Mon May 09 2022, 01:54
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
It's amusing that the Tories are trying to draw parallels between one conviction (to date) plus 15 other ongoing investigations into Boris's behaviour versus zero convictions and one investigation into Starmer.
I think Starmer should keep his powder dry until PMQs - as anything said there will go into the parliamentary record of proceedings - and then ask Johnson that IF the Durham Police decide he has done something wrong "what would the Prime Minister recommend he should do?"
...and right there is Boris's dilemma.
...which would open the door for Starmer to say that as someone who believes that politicians should have both honesty and integrity as demanded by the parliamentary Code of Conduct, he will resign as Leader of the Opposition.
And that should open the debate on "Does the Prime Minister not believe the politicians should act with honesty and integrity?" and "Does the Prime Minister believe that he is exempt from the Parliamentary Code of Conduct and the traditions of parliament?"
Presumably Wes Streeting would win the leadership election?
I think Starmer should keep his powder dry until PMQs - as anything said there will go into the parliamentary record of proceedings - and then ask Johnson that IF the Durham Police decide he has done something wrong "what would the Prime Minister recommend he should do?"
...and right there is Boris's dilemma.
...which would open the door for Starmer to say that as someone who believes that politicians should have both honesty and integrity as demanded by the parliamentary Code of Conduct, he will resign as Leader of the Opposition.
And that should open the debate on "Does the Prime Minister not believe the politicians should act with honesty and integrity?" and "Does the Prime Minister believe that he is exempt from the Parliamentary Code of Conduct and the traditions of parliament?"
Presumably Wes Streeting would win the leadership election?
143 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Mon May 09 2022, 16:28
Sluffy
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Keir Starmer: I'll quit if given Covid fine by police
144 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Mon May 09 2022, 17:03
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Absolutely the right thing to do, but tactically a missed opportunity to drive the point home and put Boris right in the mix IMO. There's still time.Sluffy wrote:Keir Starmer: I'll quit if given Covid fine by police
The door is opening for Wes as Britain's first gay PM.
145 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Mon May 09 2022, 19:32
Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Exactly what Boris should have said but we all know he is a proven liar and has no morals.
146 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Mon May 09 2022, 20:38
boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
wanderlust wrote:
The door is opening for Wes as Britain's first gay PM.
147 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Mon May 09 2022, 23:01
Ten Bobsworth
Frank Worthington
Norpig wrote:Exactly what Boris should have said but we all know he is a proven liar and has no morals.
So Sir Kia and his friend (who apparently claimed she wasn't there in the first place) know they are going to get off.
That's interesting. Was there any security for this planned event?
148 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Tue May 10 2022, 01:13
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
I'm not sure they're going to get off even though the Covid rules were more relaxed when the alleged incident took place than when Boris and the 50 odd other Tory workers actually did break the law - especially since the Tories have put their ringers in charge of the police.Ten Bobsworth wrote:
So Sir Kia and his friend (who apparently claimed she wasn't there in the first place) know they are going to get off.
That's interesting. Was there any security for this planned event?
I suspect that the dead cat will get up and walk away so that Wes can savage Blojo.
149 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Tue May 10 2022, 09:29
Ten Bobsworth
Frank Worthington
wanderlust wrote:
I'm not sure they're going to get off even though the Covid rules were more relaxed when the alleged incident took place than when Boris and the 50 odd other Tory workers actually did break the law - especially since the Tories have put their ringers in charge of the police.
I suspect that the dead cat will get up and walk away so that Wes can savage Blojo.
Now let me see. Durham has a Labour council, a Labour Police Commissioner, a Labour MP, (who's jolly it was) and theyv'e previously been let off the hook by the same Police Force with virtually no questions asked.
Sir Kia thinks he's going to be let off, (I done nothing wrong, Occifer) and Angie Baby (I wasn't even there, Guv) thinks she's going to get off too.
But you don't, because?
150 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Tue May 10 2022, 11:20
boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
I watched Perry Mason this morning. It was very good. Later today I expect a continuation of my argument with my brother about Pie Face. I don't like Pie Face. Nor do I like his potato, Paul.
My brother is team Pie Face. It could get ugly.
Forget this Starmer nonsense. There are bigger fish to fry.
My brother is team Pie Face. It could get ugly.
Forget this Starmer nonsense. There are bigger fish to fry.
151 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Tue May 10 2022, 11:32
Ten Bobsworth
Frank Worthington
boltonbonce wrote:Forget this Starmer nonsense. There are bigger fish to fry.
Course there is Boncey. There's Wagathagate for starters.
Then there's Shrimpgate, Tractorgate and Trottergate all claiming they can't produce their accounts because of COVID. Its about as convincing as ''the dog ate my homework, Miss.''
152 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Tue May 10 2022, 11:36
boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Wagathagate might be good. Should really have settled out of court, but it'll be a moveable feast for the red tops.
153 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Tue May 10 2022, 12:14
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Because having already closed the case, they had to have been prompted to reopen it. It will be interesting see if the "new evidence" consists of more than the gutter press film through the window and the agenda which says they were going to break for food anyway. It will come down to the interpretation of the (more relaxed) Covid rules at the time of the meeting.Ten Bobsworth wrote:
Now let me see. Durham has a Labour council, a Labour Police Commissioner, a Labour MP, (who's jolly it was) and theyv'e previously been let off the hook by the same Police Force with virtually no questions asked.
Sir Kia thinks he's going to be let off, (I done nothing wrong, Occifer) and Angie Baby (I wasn't even there, Guv) thinks she's going to get off too.
But you don't, because?
That said, I sort of hope Sir Kia doesn't come with a 7 year warranty and will resign.
154 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Tue May 10 2022, 14:18
Sluffy
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Ros Atkins on… Keir Starmer’s Durham curry
155 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Tue May 10 2022, 17:25
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
And there you have it. It's not double standards - different rules were in operation.
By the rules at the time and notably Exceptions 3 and 20 no offence was committed.
As opposed to the rules that were in place when Boris and his cronies were partying in Whitehall and lying about it.
We may be stuck with the dead cat after all.
By the rules at the time and notably Exceptions 3 and 20 no offence was committed.
As opposed to the rules that were in place when Boris and his cronies were partying in Whitehall and lying about it.
We may be stuck with the dead cat after all.
156 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Mon May 16 2022, 09:44
Ten Bobsworth
Frank Worthington
Investigations Durham-style. Send them all a form to fill in. That's really going to get to the bottom of it, if getting to the bottom of it is what really matters. 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10819477/Police-set-quiz-15-Labour-activists-beer-curry-Sir-Keir-Starmer-lockdown.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10819477/Police-set-quiz-15-Labour-activists-beer-curry-Sir-Keir-Starmer-lockdown.html
157 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Mon May 16 2022, 10:13
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Also London style. That's exactly what the Met did to Blojo et al.Ten Bobsworth wrote:Investigations Durham-style. Send them all a form to fill in. That's really going to get to the bottom of it, if getting to the bottom of it is what really matters.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10819477/Police-set-quiz-15-Labour-activists-beer-curry-Sir-Keir-Starmer-lockdown.html
158 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Mon May 16 2022, 11:07
Ten Bobsworth
Frank Worthington
wanderlust wrote:
Also London style. That's exactly what the Met did to Blojo et al.
Is it really? Well, of course, integrity is the middle name of all of them and they wouldn't dream of comparing notes before responding would they.
I wonder how many will say they had a "greasy night"
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159 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Mon May 16 2022, 11:25
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Perhaps that's why it's taking so long?Ten Bobsworth wrote:
Is it really? Well, of course, integrity is the middle name of all of them and they wouldn't dream of comparing notes before responding would they.
If Boris went to say 16 parties and there was an average of say 25 cronies at each one that's 400 sets of notes to be compared before responding.
We can probably expect the Met to conclude their investigation shortly after the next general election
160 Re: Keir Starmer - new Labour leader Mon May 16 2022, 11:40
Ten Bobsworth
Frank Worthington
I'm sorry but the idea of a 'greasy night' in Durham with Sir Kia's 'hopelessly devoted' fans is so enchanting. Boris just can't compete with that.
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