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Coronavirus - the political argument

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561Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Tue May 19 2020, 20:11

Sluffy

Sluffy
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T.R.O.Y. wrote:Read back over my posts Sluffy, you have created something to argue about. You're the one saying that the government regret austerity, I don't think they do. There's no more to this conversation than that.

Whatever else you've managed to manufacture here is an argument with yourself, im not going to engage with you on it - it's a waste of time, you dodge points that disprove you and and then post essay after essay on something slightly different - im genuinely bored of doing this with you.

You actually said that you believed that it was almost certain that Hunt knowingly put lives in danger just to progress his political career.

You must be very bitter to believe stuff like that.

Given a chance to turn back time and change things so they wouldn't, I believe nearly everyone (even those in a Conservative government) would.

I believe humanity is more powerful than any politics.

I pity you if you truly believe differently.

562Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Tue May 19 2020, 21:01

Guest


Guest

I never said anything of the sort. Attributing deaths to austerity is very messy so not once have I done that. That’s all you.

Why are you inventing things yet again? What I’ve written is in black and white on this thread. Are you so desperate to have an argument on here you need to do that? Honestly this is odd behaviour even by your standards.

563Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Tue May 19 2020, 21:26

Sluffy

Sluffy
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T.R.O.Y. wrote:I never said anything of the sort. Attributing deaths to austerity is very messy so not once have I done that. That’s all you.

Why are you inventing things yet again? What I’ve written is in black and white on this thread. Are you so desperate to have an argument on here you need to do that? Honestly this is odd behaviour even by your standards.

Did you not?

T.R.O.Y. wrote:Been regretting a lot recently has Hunt.

Video here about Jeremy Hunt on #Newsnight saying he regrets cutting social care, and not training more doctors & nurses.

Shame Hunt couldn't realise the immense damage he and the did while he was in the job. Although, let's be honest he probably did realise but put his career ahead of doing the right thing.

I really believe you did!

Sluffy wrote:You actually said that you believed that it was almost certain that Hunt knowingly put lives in danger just to progress his political career.

564Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Tue May 19 2020, 21:42

Guest


Guest

I read those posts and don’t see what you’re accusing me of. Increasingly I feel like I’m talking to somebody who is having a rough time and not making much sense - so I’m just going to leave this chat. If it’s me being unclear I apologise.

565Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Tue May 19 2020, 23:23

Sluffy

Sluffy
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T.R.O.Y. wrote:I read those posts and don’t see what you’re accusing me of. Increasingly I feel like I’m talking to somebody who is having a rough time and not making much sense - so I’m just going to leave this chat. If it’s me being unclear I apologise.

Just to set your mind at ease I'm absolutely fine, thank you.

I wasn't accusing you of anything, just merely disagreeing with some of the things you posted.

No need for any apology whatsoever - it's only friendly chat on an internet forum after all - no nastiness or abuse from either of us.

Fwiw I genuinely hope you are well and in good spirits too, as I hope all 'Nutters' are.

Keep safe and well.

566Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Wed Jun 03 2020, 13:24

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Whilst I'm about I thought I'd post this link from Associated Press about what really happened with China from the outbreak of the virus (which apparently can now be traced back to the 1st December, 2019 in China) to WHO declaring an international health emergency on the 30th January.

It is a very long read and many of the sources it quotes refuse to be identified for fear of reprisals but I think it gives a true picture of what went on - and how China's state involvement and 'embargoing' of all the information subsequently led to a factor of the worldwide pandemic being a factor up to 200 times worse than it needed to have been.

A brief synopsis for those not wishing to plough through it all is that the Chinese doctors were extremely quick off the mark to identify a previously unknown coronavirus and 'decoded' its makeup within in days (rather than months for previously unknown coronaviruses).

Unfortunately when the Chinese state was notified of this, they suppressed all this information, seemingly because they wanted to show the world that China was a world medical power and the first on its own in the world to deal 'successfully' with a new coronavirus.

It seems it wanted the 'prestige' of giving the world the 'answers' to the virus, rather than what they should have been doing, namely sharing with the world what information they had and allowing collaboration worldwide to work on dealing with what and how the virus was and how dangerous/not dangerous it really was.

Crucially although the initial Chinese doctors did fantastically well to sequence the virus (thus allowing for tests to be done to see if people had caught it) they did not have to hand the specialist medical experts who could have advised them about how fast the virus 'reproduces' - the critical 'R' rate we've heard so much about.

With the Chinese state 'sitting' on the information, WHO was left hanging in the wind because it thought that demanding information from China would make them close the door to them, so instead they went along the road of 'praising' them hoping they would open up more to them about what they knew about the virus.

It's pretty clear that the Chinese doctors did extremely well initially but the state wanted to control everything and kept the WHO and the rest of the world in the dark.

It seems it only became more open when it was shocked to learn that Thailand had identified a coronavirus patient arriving from China and had partially sequenced the virus themselves.

The bottom line I guess was that WHO depends totally from all country's being open and honest to them, so pandemics like this can be faced as soon as they can by all the best medical brains in the world but China seemed to want be seen as some sort of world medical leader rather than need the help of others to take on the virus - with the issue of the R rate not having the required expert guidance to fully grasp how reproductive this thing actually was.

The deliberate delay by the Chinese state led to the virus needlessly spreading worldwide for a number of weeks, with the belief at the time that it really wasn't much to be bothered about as such.

Maybe China thought they had let the cat out of the bag in the first place and wanted to put it back in it again before anyone had noticed but whatever their thinking was the plain truth is that they failed to cooperate with the rest of the world when there was more time to put a lid on it - with all the subsequent and needless deaths occurring and the ruining of much of the worlds economy.

https://apnews.com/3c061794970661042b18d5aeaaed9fae

567Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Wed Jun 03 2020, 13:33

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Welcome back Sluffy. Nice to see you posting again. The search party sent out to find KP has yet to report.

568Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Wed Jun 03 2020, 15:06

Sluffy

Sluffy
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boltonbonce wrote:Welcome back Sluffy. Nice to see you posting again. The search party sent out to find KP has yet to report.

I'm not back.

That horse has already bolted.

I've grown sick to my back teeth dealing with trolls and those with mental health issues in trying to keep this site going - and fun for all.

It just wasn't worth all the aggravation to me anymore.

I might though chip in with stuff that interests me from time to time though like the following which I'll post whilst I'm here.

Fwiw I don't fully believe FV's statement about Rubin's recent charge on assets, as if the land and stadium was free of lien's and ownership passed to FV back in August last year, there would have been nothing to stop the charge being made at that stage along with the charge they did make at that time.

As I had expected I note that Fildraw has yesterday also placed a charge against the stadium too (not surprisingly Iles has missed this so far!).

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/12090433/charges

The reason why I thought this might happen is as follows.

On the 12th March Fildraw placed a charge against Bolton Sporting Ventures Ltd (one of the subsidiary companies under Burnden Leisure - now FV ownership).

This was done before lockdown started so could have been done for a number of reasons - but certainly was to safeguard Fildraw's financial position - and one would have thought the charges they had made in August would have done that?

So to have Rubin's to register a charge on Monday to safeguard their financial position seemed strange (we are talking about a representative of the court when all said and done) unless they believed they had somehow become exposed to no longer having their full debt secured anymore?

My guess is simply with all that is happening with the virus that land values have fallen and Rubin's have simply taken out a further charge to compensate for this - so it followed to my mind anyway that the other major debtor - Fildraw would be doing something similar also - and hey presto, they have.

I don't think it is anything to be alarmed at in them both doing so but it does underline the vulnerability of FV in the current financial climate - not only have they no revenue coming in but their assets have depreciated also.

They can't be in a happy place financially and no doubt the last thing they want is for the like of the ST and Iles sticking their noses in wanting to know all their financial business all the time.

Is it any wonder both are totally ignored by FV - and always will be?

569Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Wed Jun 03 2020, 15:14

Guest


Guest

Bit tasteless to say accuse posters of having mental health issues in my opinion.

570Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Wed Jun 03 2020, 15:45

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

T.R.O.Y. wrote:Bit tasteless to say accuse posters of having mental health issues in my opinion.
Surely we all have mental health conditions.

571Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Wed Jun 03 2020, 15:47

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

Thanks for  your post Sluffy, good to see you pop up on here again.

572Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Wed Jun 03 2020, 16:01

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

It is nice to see you back Sluffy, i know i've criticized you in the past for the way you go about things but would hate to think you think you can't post on your own forum.

573Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Wed Jun 03 2020, 16:40

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

T.R.O.Y. wrote:Bit tasteless to say accuse posters of having mental health issues in my opinion.
I agree. Dear dear.

574Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Wed Jun 03 2020, 21:19

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff

Funny nobody said anything when he directed that accusation at me.

575Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Wed Jun 03 2020, 21:30

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Angry Dad wrote:Funny nobody said anything when he directed that accusation at me.
Didn't know he had.

576Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Wed Jun 03 2020, 22:31

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff

[quote="boltonbonce"][quote="Angry Dad"]Funny nobody said anything when he directed that accusation at me.[/quote]
Didn't know he had.[/quote]

Yes he did ,didn't like something i commented and said i was mentally disturbed or very similar 
I commented on a post with someone else and he had a go at him and as for the other one he,s obviously mentally disturbed meaning me. I told KP How i felt about it and he said cool down or similar i have no problem with KP it was about the china problem and i wrote about an experience i had at a take away and the filthy things they got up to all true by the way bonce.

577Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Wed Jun 03 2020, 22:54

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

Interesting development in the Cummings story (yes that is a pun):

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-52911605

578Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Thu Jun 04 2020, 08:06

Guest


Guest

Boris declares himself ‘proud’ of the government handling of Coronavirus. Couldn’t make it up, this government and its supporters are becoming as dangerous as the clown across the pond.

579Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Thu Jun 04 2020, 08:26

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

And as for following scientific advice here is a quote from the front page of the Times today:

Leading scientists warned last night that Boris Johnson’s two-week foreign quarantine plans made “no sense” as Downing Street’s own chief scientific adviser distanced himself from the policy.

The government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) was not consulted on the decision to make all arrivals in Britain self-isolate for two weeks. There is frustration among some members that introducing the restrictions on Monday is “not following the science”.

580Coronavirus - the political argument - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - the political argument Thu Jun 04 2020, 09:32

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Making people self isolate when they enter the UK seems like a no brainer to me. How can it possibly hurt?

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