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Sluffy

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Coronavirus: Chinese official admits health system weaknesses

The coronavirus pandemic is a "big test" that has exposed weaknesses in China's public health system, a senior official has told Chinese media.

The rare admission, from Director of China's National Health Commission Li Bin, comes after sustained criticism abroad of China's early response.

The country will now improve its disease prevention, public health system and data collection, he says.

Mr Li told journalists the pandemic was a significant challenge for China's governance, and that it exposed "the weak links in how we address major epidemic and the public health system." 

China has been accused of responding too slowly to early signs of the virus in Wuhan, where the outbreak began, and failing to quickly alert the international community of the outbreak.

China has rejected calls for an independent international investigation into the origins of the virus.

In April an EU report accused China of spreading misinformation about the crisis.

A doctor who tried to alert authorities about the virus in December was told to stop "making false comments". Li Wenliang later died from Covid-19 in hospital in Wuhan.

A rare admission

Celia Hatton, BBC Asia Pacific Regional Editor

It's rare for Chinese leaders to admit wrongdoing. 

Li Bin said the commission would fix the problems by centralising its systems and making better use of big data and artificial intelligence, building on many of the leadership's longstanding objectives. 

China has faced tough criticism, domestically and abroad, over its early handling of the virus. Several provincial and local officials from the ruling Communist Party have been sacked but no senior member of the Party has been punished.
Beijing has not responded to calls to ease censorship and state control of the media.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-52600618

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
They will never admit to full responsibility, it’ll leave them open to claims for reparation.

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@gloswhite wrote:They will never admit to full responsibility, it’ll leave them open to claims for reparation.

I doubt it is really that - who can make them pay up even if they did say it was their fault?

They are the manufacturing super power of the world - and that's why no one is really going to push them too hard about it because the rest of the world's economies are reliant on them at least in the short term.

It's more about 'losing face' to my thinking - we all 'know' what happened - the genome of the virus simply hasn't been found anywhere in the world prior to Wuhan - and ALL country's with Corona-19 deaths have the same genome - so it simply couldn't have come from anywhere else.

What's that means in plain English is that a virus (any virus) mutates and changes over time - it does this as it naturally evolves because if the 'deadly' strains of the virus 'kills' it's host, then over time it will end up killing itself to as less and less people survive it to be able to pass it on.  So slight changes 'mutations' to the 'killer' virus evolve which are less deadly to the host and thus tend to continue to survive.  These slight changes in the 'make-up' of the virus are noted as 'genome's' and are distinct from one 'strain' of the virus to another.

All the world's pandemic can thus be traced back to China.

Seems the way China is controlled is from the very top, so they don't want to be seen to be wrong - and they also don't particularly want to be told things are bad - so when the virus first caught fire in Wuhan, the local doctors and 'officials' tried to hush it up and hope it would go away, and when it wouldn't and the regional 'officials' got to hear from it, they to (apparently) tried to keep a lid on it.  All these officials have since been reported as being sacked.

Chinese 'top' bosses by now knew what was going on but in order to presumably not look bad/lose face to the world, under reported how bad it was and (the smoking gun?) stopped ALL flights out of Wuhan/Hubei to the rest of China BUT allowed flights as normal to the rest of the world - with such devastating consequences.

Everybody knows what happened (maybe apart from the exact pinpoint to where this all exactly started - but it is without question the virus was allowed to spread from China to the rest of the world) but there's really not a great deal anyone can do about taking them to task about it.

Maybe China will make some sort of reparation to the rest of the world in some form when all this is over (a sort of Marshall Plan) -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

...as if the world economy is wrecked then they won't have anyone to sell their goods to and thus suffer hardships themselves.


To underline China's 'under reporting' I post a clip from an article I've read TODAY - just goes to show they certainly haven't/still are not - reporting the true extent of the virus in their country!

"All of the latest cases were previously classified as asymptomatic - meaning they tested positive for the virus but were not exhibiting clinical signs such as a cough or fever.
Such people can spread the virus despite not being sick, but China does not count asymptomatic cases in its official tally of confirmed infections until they show symptoms.
Hundreds of asymptomatic cases are being monitored by Wuhan health authorities".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-52613138

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
I was saying to my daughter, all we need now is to be invaded by aliens !

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:I was saying to my daughter, all we need now is to be invaded by aliens !
They would arrive, take one good look at the world and think it’s not worth it and leave.

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@karlypants wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:I was saying to my daughter, all we need now is to be invaded by aliens !
They would arrive, take one good look at the world and think it’s not worth it and leave.

Coronavirus - China finally begining to admit they got things wrong!!! Alien-spaceship-flying_saucer-b_movie-leader-myths-legends-CX905338_low

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@boltonbonce wrote:
@karlypants wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:I was saying to my daughter, all we need now is to be invaded by aliens !
They would arrive, take one good look at the world and think it’s not worth it and leave.

Coronavirus - China finally begining to admit they got things wrong!!! Alien-spaceship-flying_saucer-b_movie-leader-myths-legends-CX905338_low

Very Happy

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Sluffy wrote:

I doubt it is really that - who can make them pay up even if they did say it was their fault?

They are the manufacturing super power of the world - and that's why no one is really going to push them too hard about it because the rest of the world's economies are reliant on them at least in the short term.

It's more about 'losing face' to my thinking - we all 'know' what happened - the genome of the virus simply hasn't been found anywhere in the world prior to Wuhan - and ALL country's with Corona-19 deaths have the same genome - so it simply couldn't have come from anywhere else.

What's that means in plain English is that a virus (any virus) mutates and changes over time - it does this as it naturally evolves because if the 'deadly' strains of the virus 'kills' it's host, then over time it will end up killing itself to as less and less people survive it to be able to pass it on.  So slight changes 'mutations' to the 'killer' virus evolve which are less deadly to the host and thus tend to continue to survive.  These slight changes in the 'make-up' of the virus are noted as 'genome's' and are distinct from one 'strain' of the virus to another.

All the world's pandemic can thus be traced back to China.

Seems the way China is controlled is from the very top, so they don't want to be seen to be wrong - and they also don't particularly want to be told things are bad - so when the virus first caught fire in Wuhan, the local doctors and 'officials' tried to hush it up and hope it would go away, and when it wouldn't and the regional 'officials' got to hear from it, they to (apparently) tried to keep a lid on it.  All these officials have since been reported as being sacked.

Chinese 'top' bosses by now knew what was going on but in order to presumably not look bad/lose face to the world, under reported how bad it was and (the smoking gun?) stopped ALL flights out of Wuhan/Hubei to the rest of China BUT allowed flights as normal to the rest of the world - with such devastating consequences.

Everybody knows what happened (maybe apart from the exact pinpoint to where this all exactly started - but it is without question the virus was allowed to spread from China to the rest of the world) but there's really not a great deal anyone can do about taking them to task about it.

Maybe China will make some sort of reparation to the rest of the world in some form when all this is over (a sort of Marshall Plan) -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

...as if the world economy is wrecked then they won't have anyone to sell their goods to and thus suffer hardships themselves.


To underline China's 'under reporting' I post a clip from an article I've read TODAY - just goes to show they certainly haven't/still are not - reporting the true extent of the virus in their country!

"All of the latest cases were previously classified as asymptomatic - meaning they tested positive for the virus but were not exhibiting clinical signs such as a cough or fever.
Such people can spread the virus despite not being sick, but China does not count asymptomatic cases in its official tally of confirmed infections until they show symptoms.
Hundreds of asymptomatic cases are being monitored by Wuhan health authorities".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-52613138
Following the world health authority investigation into the source of Covid it now seems that the source was probably not China.
The WHO investigated the lab in Wuhan (one theory touted in the west) and the wet markets (the other theory touted in the west) and concluded it was more likely that the virus arrived in China in imported fish.
Problem is that they import fish from many countries so efforts to trace it back to the real source have stalled.

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@wanderlust wrote:
Following the world health authority investigation into the source of Covid it now seems that the source was probably not China.
The WHO investigated the lab in Wuhan (one theory touted in the west) and the wet markets (the other theory touted in the west) and concluded it was more likely that the virus arrived in China in imported fish.
Problem is that they import fish from many countries so efforts to trace it back to the real source have stalled.
If that is the case, how come nobody suffered from it before the Wuhan outbreak, such as the source country?

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:
If that is the case, how come nobody suffered from it before the Wuhan outbreak, such as the source country?
Apparently they did. It’s just that they didn’t recognise it as Covid- perhaps because they weren’t looking for it specifically? Or that it hadn’t fully mutated into what they now call Covid?  Most likely they didn’t know what it is at the time.

There was an unexplained outbreak of “pneumonia” in the Middle East in 2012 for example.

They have also discounted the bat/pangolin theory as the strain they carry is too distant from Covid.

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Sorry Wander, I cannot believe a country being accused of originating a worldwide pandemic, especially with the resources they have, could not come up with a better excuse than this, especially with not wishing to lose face being a national trait.

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:
Following the world health authority investigation into the source of Covid it now seems that the source was probably not China.
The WHO investigated the lab in Wuhan (one theory touted in the west) and the wet markets (the other theory touted in the west) and concluded it was more likely that the virus arrived in China in imported fish.
Problem is that they import fish from many countries so efforts to trace it back to the real source have stalled.

Hahaha!!!

You are SO desperate to prove me wrong on ANYTHING!!!

:rofl:

Try listening to this, seems to me that what he is saying is that virus is more likely to arrived in Wuhan from wild animals - ferret badgers* farmed from elsewhere in China/south east asia, than originate from Wuhan itself, which could either have been brought in live OR possibly killed in the factory farms and brought to Wuhan frozen.

Even then there is NO direct evidence of this.





*Ferret-badger

Coronavirus - China finally begining to admit they got things wrong!!! American-badger

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_ferret-badger

RangersDave

RangersDave
Mario Jardel
Mario Jardel
Having been ripped off by China to the tune of £250k , and having them sell my paid for products into the UK without legal recourse for me, i have to say ....Never Trust the Chinese.

They will rip you off, they will change specifications on a £100 item without telling you to make a penny (yes a bloody penny), they will bury their head in the sand if you complain about anything, and their attitude has very little leeway.

To top it off, if i want to claim my money from them, i need to put up a bond to the Chinese court for the amount i'm claiming, and if i lose the case i lose my hard earned product, and the bond put up by me as means of compensation to the third party.

If i had my tools back i'd quickly get them back to the UK, as i think we are now mugs in general for accepting anything Chinese built, A) because you cannot trust their spying through phones etc, B) you cannot trust their honesty, and 3) their ongoing appalling human rights record.

On the last one alone, we in the west should say 'no more' we aint using you ever again you murderers.

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
That sounds bloody awful Dave, my commiserations.

I now feel bad for kicking off when my £9.99 phone cover from China fell apart after 2 days.

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
The first time I saw how strongly the Chinese are motivated by money was in the semi-fictional book Taipan, some years ago. I've seen little bits of news here and there ever since. Selling somebody down the river for a penny really doesn't surprise me, let alone £250k. Add to that their new bullish attitude to foreigners in general, then I, like you Dave, wouldn't trust them with my cash.
(I'm also getting ready to close my HSBC/First Direct account as things are going on in the background).

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
The Chinese government is never going to admit their responsibility for spreading covid any more than they will admit that they are committing genocide against the Uighurs. They have now banned BBC World News.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-56030340

Truly the most repressive regime in the world apart from maybe North Korea.

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
And getting worse by the day

RangersDave

RangersDave
Mario Jardel
Mario Jardel
@Natasha Whittam wrote:That sounds bloody awful Dave, my commiserations.

I now feel bad for kicking off when my £9.99 phone cover from China fell apart after 2 days.
And to throw a great deal of insult to the injury, the government wouldnt even answer my mails for help, but landed me with a £20k bill for tax they say i owe, when i dont! (thats been going on now for 3 and a half years).

In fact, China is such a hot potato, no one wanted to help me. So i went i to receivership.

Meanwhile, my product is being sold in the UK by people that dont own the tools and neither i or the receiver can do a thing about it.

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Whilst our press categorically stated Covid in humans started in Wuhan and lots of people jumped on the bandwagon, the first independent international investigation has now narrowed it down to three potential sources, one of which is that it was imported into China from elsewhere. Story here

So there is no proof where it started as things stand.

Not that it matters. What does matter is how the crisis is being handled and perhaps we should be more interested in when our government will “finally admit they got it wrong?”

And Sluffy 😄

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:Whilst our press categorically stated Covid in humans started in Wuhan and lots of people jumped on the bandwagon, the first independent international investigation has now narrowed it down to three potential sources, one of which is that it was imported into China from elsewhere. Story here

So there is no proof where it started as things stand.

Not that it matters. What does matter is how the crisis is being handled and perhaps we should be more interested in when our government will “finally admit they got it wrong?”

And Sluffy 😄

Clearly you haven't bothered to watch the video I posted above some days back as it gives a far more detailed report and reading between the lines subtly hints that the virus came from within China from wild ferret-badger farms who were transported live for sale and slaughter at the Wuhan fish market.

Don't take my word for it, listen to the scientist from WHO, who undertook the investigation and who took part in the compilation of the investigations findings.

All there on a plate for you but once again you were to lazy to do the research and much to eager in your desperate rush to prove me wrong about absolutely anything!

You do make me laugh.

I see you've started to import and post your own 'laughing' emoticon and not use the sites selection, no doubt because I've used this one so often in response to your usual know it all - know nothing bollocks you just love to post!

:rofl:

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Here you go....Sleep

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:Here you go....Sleep

Hahaha you do make it so very easy to keep laughing at you, you plonker!

You are so determined to prove me wong on anything, that...

1 - You dug up a thread last posted on from May last year (nine months ago!) - even though there is a current and well used thread in daily use currently covering more or less exactly the same things.

2 - Specifically quoted one of my posts - which wasn't even the last on the thread at the time - so your reason was clearly to have a deliberate little dig at me.

3 - Posted your factually incorrect bullshit.

4 - Only for me to to take the trouble of providing you, and everyone else. with an interview of just over 20 minutes length from one of the actual WHO team doing the research at Wuhan giving a fairly detailed report on what they found.

5 - For you to quite clerly not bother to view it and some days latter post up another of your factually incorrect bullshit and specifically 'call me out' by (user) name, to more or less tell me I was wrong.

6 - For me to once again refer you to the video that I had previously posted up, which if you had bothered to view it, you would have known yourself that you was once again talking out of your arse!

7 - To which you couldn't even have the good grace to admit that you had yet once again got it wrong but instead attempted to make out I was some sort of a bore or similar!

Well if it is being boring by calling out your seemingly never ending bullshit, your desparation to prove me wrong about something/anything, and your pathological determination to not be seen to be wrong about anything at all - when it is often very clear to all that you frequently are - then I supose I must be then.

It is though really funny watching you continue to tie yourself in knotts and continue to dig those holes deeper for yourself - just over something or other on here - a tiny, meaningless footy forum, comprised of a few people (and a number of 'iffy' accounts - notice I never said the 'f' word!), all for the sake of not admitting you could ever be possibly wrong about anything,  then please do carry on as it often gives me the best laughs of the day watching you do so!!!

:rofl:

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
Further update from a member of the WHO group to Wuhan -

14:51
WHO investigator says China 'withheld data'

One of the investigators examining the origins of the pandemic has said China refused to give raw data on its early cases to the World Health Organization (WHO) team.

"That's standard practice for an outbreak investigation," Dominic Dwyer, an Australian infectious diseases expert, told the Reuters news agency earlier today.

He added that, despite repeated requests, the WHO-led team was only given a summary of the data on more than 170 cases they were interested in from an early outbreak in Wuhan in December 2019.

Mr Dwyer said the motive for withholding the raw data was a matter of speculation. "Whether it's political or time or it's difficult... I don't know," he said.

China has insisted it was transparent with the investigators, whose initial findings could be published next week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-56052537


And for the record the investigator saying this, Dominic Dwyer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_Dwyer

...is a different member of the WHO group to Dr Peter Daszak

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Daszak

...who gave the video interview above.

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@Sluffy wrote:Further update from a member of the WHO group to Wuhan -

14:51
WHO investigator says China 'withheld data'

One of the investigators examining the origins of the pandemic has said China refused to give raw data on its early cases to the World Health Organization (WHO) team.

"That's standard practice for an outbreak investigation," Dominic Dwyer, an Australian infectious diseases expert, told the Reuters news agency earlier today.

He added that, despite repeated requests, the WHO-led team was only given a summary of the data on more than 170 cases they were interested in from an early outbreak in Wuhan in December 2019.

Mr Dwyer said the motive for withholding the raw data was a matter of speculation. "Whether it's political or time or it's difficult... I don't know," he said.

China has insisted it was transparent with the investigators, whose initial findings could be published next week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-56052537


And for the record the investigator saying this, Dominic Dwyer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_Dwyer

...is a different member of the WHO group to Dr Peter Daszak

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Daszak

...who gave the video interview above.

UPDATE - fuller report on this by the BBC -

Covid-19 pandemic: China 'refused to give data' to WHO team

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-56054468

Which links to yesterday'sNew York Times article which gives a far deeper report including comments from the WHO investigators saying more or less they included stuff in their public news briefings to keep the Chinese sweet and in order to keep the peace than on the basis of any scientic evidence.

Feel free to read it for yourself if anyone doesn't want to take my word for it - that is after all why I post up the links in the first place.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/12/world/asia/china-world-health-organization-coronavirus.html?searchResultPosition=3

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Take it up with the BBC if it’s so important to you.

It was you that said “all the world’s pandemic can now be traced back to China” and should pay reparations and just because I pointed out that it is not necessarily the case ( albeit likely imo) you feel the need to ramble on about your personal grudge mainly off topic.

You need to calm down. Have you tried meditation?
Or opiates?

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:Take it up with the BBC if it’s so important to you.

It was you that said “all the world’s pandemic can now be traced back to China” and should pay reparations and just because I pointed out that it is not necessarily the case ( albeit likely imo) you feel the need to ramble on about your personal grudge mainly off topic.

You need to calm down. Have you tried meditation?
Or opiates?

Eh?

I never said that as such???

You've twisted my words to suit your point (which is an attempt to shoot me down, obviously)

This is what I did say -

@Sluffy wrote:All the world's pandemic can thus be traced back to China.

Seems the way China is controlled is from the very top, so they don't want to be seen to be wrong - and they also don't particularly want to be told things are bad - so when the virus first caught fire in Wuhan, the local doctors and 'officials' tried to hush it up and hope it would go away, and when it wouldn't and the regional 'officials' got to hear from it, they to (apparently) tried to keep a lid on it.  All these officials have since been reported as being sacked.

Chinese 'top' bosses by now knew what was going on but in order to presumably not look bad/lose face to the world, under reported how bad it was and (the smoking gun?) stopped ALL flights out of Wuhan/Hubei to the rest of China BUT allowed flights as normal to the rest of the world - with such devastating consequences.

Everybody knows what happened (maybe apart from the exact pinpoint to where this all exactly started - but it is without question the virus was allowed to spread from China to the rest of the world) but there's really not a great deal anyone can do about taking them to task about it.

Maybe China will make some sort of reparation to the rest of the world in some form when all this is over (a sort of Marshall Plan)

I still stand by all of that.

It's you who have deliberately reserected this thread from almost a year ago, just to attempt to prove me wrong about something (how sad of you is it to need to do something like that?) with your asscertions that China had NO connection with Covid emerging and that it was 'imported' into the country from elsewhere in the world on frozen goods of fish -

@wanderlust wrote:Following the world health authority investigation into the source of Covid it now seems that the source was probably NOT China.
The WHO investigated the lab in Wuhan (one theory touted in the west) and the wet markets (the other theory touted in the west) and concluded it was more likely that the virus arrived in China in imported fish.
Problem is that they import fish from many countries so efforts to trace it back to the real source have stalled.

I posted up a video from one of the WHO team more or less saying the likely cause was that Covid came from within China, from live, wild, ferret-badgers, that were being farmed in the area where it was known that the virus from which Covid comes and is present in the bat colonies there, with these ferret-badgers transported LIVE to the Wuhan fish market for sale and slaughter.

You then went back into your shell for the next few days and emerged to post this, once again with you emphasising the line that the virus was 'imported' into China - and added for for good measure a deliberate pop at me (which let's face it, is all this is about to you in the first place).

@wanderlust wrote:Whilst our press categorically stated Covid in humans started in Wuhan and lots of people jumped on the bandwagon, the first independent international investigation has now narrowed it down to three potential sources, one of which is that it was imported into China from elsewhereStory here

So there is no proof where it started as things stand.

Not that it matters. What does matter is how the crisis is being handled and perhaps we should be more interested in when our government will “finally admit they got it wrong?”

And Sluffy 😄

Again I referred you to the video I had previously posted - which clearly you had not bothered to view - breaking reports from members of the WHO team stating China had witheld presenting essential data they had for inspection and a detailed report from the New York Times in which WHO team members were stating 'off the record' that they had to include stuff in their joint report with the Chinese scientists involved with the WHO investigation team in order to keep them 'sweet' and to continue what limited cooperation with them that they were doing as opposed to non at all!

@Sluffy wrote:Which links to yesterday'sNew York Times article which gives a far deeper report including comments from the WHO investigators saying more or less they included stuff in their public news briefings to keep the Chinese sweet and in order to keep the peace than on the basis of any scientic evidence.

Feel free to read it for yourself if anyone doesn't want to take my word for it - that is after all why I post up the links in the first place.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/12/world/asia/china-world-health-organization-coronavirus.html?searchResultPosition=3

Clearly you haven't bothered to read that either before replying to me with a link to a four day old BBC news article?

So my reply to you is what I've already said above previously -

@Sluffy wrote:It is though really funny watching you continue to tie yourself in knotts and continue to dig those holes deeper for yourself - just over something or other on here - a tiny, meaningless footy forum, comprised of a few people (and a number of 'iffy' accounts - notice I never said the 'f' word!), all for the sake of not admitting you could ever be possibly wrong about anything,  then please do carry on as it often gives me the best laughs of the day watching you do so!!!

:rofl:

You really are obsessed in proving me wrong!

What a plonker you truly are!

Thanks for today's laughs though!

Stay safe.

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
Yet another of the WHO team strongly suggesting the origin is from 'farmed' animals located close to known 'reservoir' of the virus (bat colonies).

These 'reservoirs'/bat colonies are known to be in China and wild ferret-badgers are known to be 'farmed' in the area and live ferret-badgers are known to have been transported to the Wuhan fish market where the worlds first known out break occured.

This seems to be where the investigation has led to but everyone is being extremely cautious of the political sensitivities of saying so.

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
Make your own minds up from this on how China has behaved over how the virus originated.

After you've listened to it does anyone (apart from Wanderlust) think China isn't holding anything back about things?

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I'm pretty confident China is withholding information. They are an oppressive state with more than their fair share of paranoid old party leaders. That's why I never suggested they did. What I did suggest was that the international investigation could not come up with conclusive proof it started in China, even though 2 of the 3 remaining theories suggest it may have.
A "not proven" verdict.
A bit like your defence of Anderson.

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:I'm pretty confident China is withholding information. They are an oppressive state with more than their fair share of paranoid old party leaders. That's why I never suggested they did. What I did suggest was that the international investigation could not come up with conclusive proof it started in China, even though 2 of the 3 remaining theories suggest it may have.
A "not proven" verdict.
A bit like your defence of Anderson.

Hahaha!!!

Of couse you did!

You reserected an almost year old thread in a blatently obvious attempt to prove me wrong - Christ you even posted this, have you forgotten???

@wanderlust wrote:Following the world health authority investigation into the source of Covid it now seems that the source was probably NOT China.
The WHO investigated the lab in Wuhan (one theory touted in the west) and the wet markets (the other theory touted in the west) and concluded it was more likely that the virus arrived in China in imported fish.
Problem is that they import fish from many countries so efforts to trace it back to the real source have stalled.

Apart from the fact that it ISN'T what the WHO findings are, does that sound even remotely like how you are trying to hide your lie about being wrong - yet again - by trying to spin it now that you always thought that it almost 'probably' did start in China all along!!!

You are an absolute joke!

No wonder I look forward to my daily laugh at you.

So yet again...

@Sluffy wrote:It is though really funny watching you continue to tie yourself in knotts and continue to dig those holes deeper for yourself - just over something or other on here - a tiny, meaningless footy forum, comprised of a few people (and a number of 'iffy' accounts - notice I never said the 'f' word!), all for the sake of not admitting you could ever be possibly wrong about anything,  then please do carry on as it often gives me the best laughs of the day watching you do so!!!

:rofl:

You really are obsessed in proving me wrong!

What a plonker you truly are!

Thanks for today's laughs though!

Stay safe nutjob!


Oh and we are all still waiting for your explanation as to how you would have done things differently to Anderson in running the club which was insolvent and in debt to the tune of £186m, in order to 'rape and pillage' to enrich himself, as you proclaimed loudly and daily that was what he was doing!

You are full of shit and absolutely hate it that I can see right through your lies and deceit.

Have a nice day!

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