Coronavirus - China finally begining to admit they got things wrong!!!

Here you go....

wanderlust wrote:Here you go....

Hahaha you do make it so very easy to keep laughing at you, you plonker!

You are so determined to prove me wong on anything, that...

1 - You dug up a thread last posted on from May last year (nine months ago!) - even though there is a current and well used thread in daily use currently covering more or less exactly the same things.

2 - Specifically quoted one of my posts - which wasn't even the last on the thread at the time - so your reason was clearly to have a deliberate little dig at me.

3 - Posted your factually incorrect bullshit.

4 - Only for me to to take the trouble of providing you, and everyone else. with an interview of just over 20 minutes length from one of the actual WHO team doing the research at Wuhan giving a fairly detailed report on what they found.

5 - For you to quite clerly not bother to view it and some days latter post up another of your factually incorrect bullshit and specifically 'call me out' by (user) name, to more or less tell me I was wrong.

6 - For me to once again refer you to the video that I had previously posted up, which if you had bothered to view it, you would have known yourself that you was once again talking out of your arse!

7 - To which you couldn't even have the good grace to admit that you had yet once again got it wrong but instead attempted to make out I was some sort of a bore or similar!

Well if it is being boring by calling out your seemingly never ending bullshit, your desparation to prove me wrong about something/anything, and your pathological determination to not be seen to be wrong about anything at all - when it is often very clear to all that you frequently are - then I supose I must be then.

It is though really funny watching you continue to tie yourself in knotts and continue to dig those holes deeper for yourself - just over something or other on here - a tiny, meaningless footy forum, comprised of a few people (and a number of 'iffy' accounts - notice I never said the 'f' word!), all for the sake of not admitting you could ever be possibly wrong about anything,  then please do carry on as it often gives me the best laughs of the day watching you do so!!!

Further update from a member of the WHO group to Wuhan -

14:51
WHO investigator says China 'withheld data'

One of the investigators examining the origins of the pandemic has said China refused to give raw data on its early cases to the World Health Organization (WHO) team.

"That's standard practice for an outbreak investigation," Dominic Dwyer, an Australian infectious diseases expert, told the Reuters news agency earlier today.

He added that, despite repeated requests, the WHO-led team was only given a summary of the data on more than 170 cases they were interested in from an early outbreak in Wuhan in December 2019.

Mr Dwyer said the motive for withholding the raw data was a matter of speculation. "Whether it's political or time or it's difficult... I don't know," he said.

China has insisted it was transparent with the investigators, whose initial findings could be published next week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-56052537


And for the record the investigator saying this, Dominic Dwyer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_Dwyer

...is a different member of the WHO group to Dr Peter Daszak

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Daszak

...who gave the video interview above.

Sluffy wrote:Further update from a member of the WHO group to Wuhan -

14:51
WHO investigator says China 'withheld data'

One of the investigators examining the origins of the pandemic has said China refused to give raw data on its early cases to the World Health Organization (WHO) team.

"That's standard practice for an outbreak investigation," Dominic Dwyer, an Australian infectious diseases expert, told the Reuters news agency earlier today.

He added that, despite repeated requests, the WHO-led team was only given a summary of the data on more than 170 cases they were interested in from an early outbreak in Wuhan in December 2019.

Mr Dwyer said the motive for withholding the raw data was a matter of speculation. "Whether it's political or time or it's difficult... I don't know," he said.

China has insisted it was transparent with the investigators, whose initial findings could be published next week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-56052537


And for the record the investigator saying this, Dominic Dwyer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_Dwyer

...is a different member of the WHO group to Dr Peter Daszak

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Daszak

...who gave the video interview above.

UPDATE - fuller report on this by the BBC -

Covid-19 pandemic: China 'refused to give data' to WHO team

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-56054468

Which links to yesterday'sNew York Times article which gives a far deeper report including comments from the WHO investigators saying more or less they included stuff in their public news briefings to keep the Chinese sweet and in order to keep the peace than on the basis of any scientic evidence.

Feel free to read it for yourself if anyone doesn't want to take my word for it - that is after all why I post up the links in the first place.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/12/world/asia/china-world-health-organization-coronavirus.html?searchResultPosition=3

Take it up with the BBC if it’s so important to you.

It was you that said “all the world’s pandemic can now be traced back to China” and should pay reparations and just because I pointed out that it is not necessarily the case ( albeit likely imo) you feel the need to ramble on about your personal grudge mainly off topic.

You need to calm down. Have you tried meditation?
Or opiates?

wanderlust wrote:Take it up with the BBC if it’s so important to you.

It was you that said “all the world’s pandemic can now be traced back to China” and should pay reparations and just because I pointed out that it is not necessarily the case ( albeit likely imo) you feel the need to ramble on about your personal grudge mainly off topic.

You need to calm down. Have you tried meditation?
Or opiates?

Eh?

I never said that as such???

You've twisted my words to suit your point (which is an attempt to shoot me down, obviously)

This is what I did say -

Sluffy wrote:All the world's pandemic can thus be traced back to China.

Seems the way China is controlled is from the very top, so they don't want to be seen to be wrong - and they also don't particularly want to be told things are bad - so when the virus first caught fire in Wuhan, the local doctors and 'officials' tried to hush it up and hope it would go away, and when it wouldn't and the regional 'officials' got to hear from it, they to (apparently) tried to keep a lid on it.  All these officials have since been reported as being sacked.

Chinese 'top' bosses by now knew what was going on but in order to presumably not look bad/lose face to the world, under reported how bad it was and (the smoking gun?) stopped ALL flights out of Wuhan/Hubei to the rest of China BUT allowed flights as normal to the rest of the world - with such devastating consequences.

Everybody knows what happened (maybe apart from the exact pinpoint to where this all exactly started - but it is without question the virus was allowed to spread from China to the rest of the world) but there's really not a great deal anyone can do about taking them to task about it.

Maybe China will make some sort of reparation to the rest of the world in some form when all this is over (a sort of Marshall Plan)

I still stand by all of that.

It's you who have deliberately reserected this thread from almost a year ago, just to attempt to prove me wrong about something (how sad of you is it to need to do something like that?) with your asscertions that China had NO connection with Covid emerging and that it was 'imported' into the country from elsewhere in the world on frozen goods of fish -

wanderlust wrote:Following the world health authority investigation into the source of Covid it now seems that the source was probably NOT China.
The WHO investigated the lab in Wuhan (one theory touted in the west) and the wet markets (the other theory touted in the west) and concluded it was more likely that the virus arrived in China in imported fish.
Problem is that they import fish from many countries so efforts to trace it back to the real source have stalled.

I posted up a video from one of the WHO team more or less saying the likely cause was that Covid came from within China, from live, wild, ferret-badgers, that were being farmed in the area where it was known that the virus from which Covid comes and is present in the bat colonies there, with these ferret-badgers transported LIVE to the Wuhan fish market for sale and slaughter.

You then went back into your shell for the next few days and emerged to post this, once again with you emphasising the line that the virus was 'imported' into China - and added for for good measure a deliberate pop at me (which let's face it, is all this is about to you in the first place).

wanderlust wrote:Whilst our press categorically stated Covid in humans started in Wuhan and lots of people jumped on the bandwagon, the first independent international investigation has now narrowed it down to three potential sources, one of which is that it was imported into China from elsewhere. Story here

So there is no proof where it started as things stand.

Not that it matters. What does matter is how the crisis is being handled and perhaps we should be more interested in when our government will “finally admit they got it wrong?”

And Sluffy

Again I referred you to the video I had previously posted - which clearly you had not bothered to view - breaking reports from members of the WHO team stating China had witheld presenting essential data they had for inspection and a detailed report from the New York Times in which WHO team members were stating 'off the record' that they had to include stuff in their joint report with the Chinese scientists involved with the WHO investigation team in order to keep them 'sweet' and to continue what limited cooperation with them that they were doing as opposed to non at all!

Sluffy wrote:Which links to yesterday'sNew York Times article which gives a far deeper report including comments from the WHO investigators saying more or less they included stuff in their public news briefings to keep the Chinese sweet and in order to keep the peace than on the basis of any scientic evidence.

Feel free to read it for yourself if anyone doesn't want to take my word for it - that is after all why I post up the links in the first place.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/12/world/asia/china-world-health-organization-coronavirus.html?searchResultPosition=3

Clearly you haven't bothered to read that either before replying to me with a link to a four day old BBC news article?

So my reply to you is what I've already said above previously -

Sluffy wrote:It is though really funny watching you continue to tie yourself in knotts and continue to dig those holes deeper for yourself - just over something or other on here - a tiny, meaningless footy forum, comprised of a few people (and a number of 'iffy' accounts - notice I never said the 'f' word!), all for the sake of not admitting you could ever be possibly wrong about anything,  then please do carry on as it often gives me the best laughs of the day watching you do so!!!

You really are obsessed in proving me wrong!

What a plonker you truly are!

Thanks for today's laughs though!

Stay safe.

Yet another of the WHO team strongly suggesting the origin is from 'farmed' animals located close to known 'reservoir' of the virus (bat colonies).

These 'reservoirs'/bat colonies are known to be in China and wild ferret-badgers are known to be 'farmed' in the area and live ferret-badgers are known to have been transported to the Wuhan fish market where the worlds first known out break occured.

This seems to be where the investigation has led to but everyone is being extremely cautious of the political sensitivities of saying so.

Make your own minds up from this on how China has behaved over how the virus originated.

After you've listened to it does anyone (apart from Wanderlust) think China isn't holding anything back about things?

I'm pretty confident China is withholding information. They are an oppressive state with more than their fair share of paranoid old party leaders. That's why I never suggested they did. What I did suggest was that the international investigation could not come up with conclusive proof it started in China, even though 2 of the 3 remaining theories suggest it may have.
A "not proven" verdict.
A bit like your defence of Anderson.

wanderlust wrote:I'm pretty confident China is withholding information. They are an oppressive state with more than their fair share of paranoid old party leaders. That's why I never suggested they did. What I did suggest was that the international investigation could not come up with conclusive proof it started in China, even though 2 of the 3 remaining theories suggest it may have.
A "not proven" verdict.
A bit like your defence of Anderson.

Hahaha!!!

Of couse you did!

You reserected an almost year old thread in a blatently obvious attempt to prove me wrong - Christ you even posted this, have you forgotten???

wanderlust wrote:Following the world health authority investigation into the source of Covid it now seems that the source was probably NOT China.
The WHO investigated the lab in Wuhan (one theory touted in the west) and the wet markets (the other theory touted in the west) and concluded it was more likely that the virus arrived in China in imported fish.
Problem is that they import fish from many countries so efforts to trace it back to the real source have stalled.

Apart from the fact that it ISN'T what the WHO findings are, does that sound even remotely like how you are trying to hide your lie about being wrong - yet again - by trying to spin it now that you always thought that it almost 'probably' did start in China all along!!!

You are an absolute joke!

No wonder I look forward to my daily laugh at you.

So yet again...

Sluffy wrote:It is though really funny watching you continue to tie yourself in knotts and continue to dig those holes deeper for yourself - just over something or other on here - a tiny, meaningless footy forum, comprised of a few people (and a number of 'iffy' accounts - notice I never said the 'f' word!), all for the sake of not admitting you could ever be possibly wrong about anything,  then please do carry on as it often gives me the best laughs of the day watching you do so!!!

You really are obsessed in proving me wrong!

What a plonker you truly are!

Thanks for today's laughs though!

Stay safe nutjob!


Oh and we are all still waiting for your explanation as to how you would have done things differently to Anderson in running the club which was insolvent and in debt to the tune of £186m, in order to 'rape and pillage' to enrich himself, as you proclaimed loudly and daily that was what he was doing!

You are full of shit and absolutely hate it that I can see right through your lies and deceit.

Have a nice day!

Sluffy when are you going to cotton on that Lusty is winding you up just to see you fly off the handle?

Norpig wrote:Sluffy when are you going to cotton on that Lusty is winding you up just to see you fly off the handle?

Sluffy wrote:

Hahaha!!!

Of couse you did!

You reserected an almost year old thread in a blatently obvious attempt to prove me wrong - Christ you even posted this, have you forgotten???



Apart from the fact that it ISN'T what the WHO findings are, does that sound even remotely like how you are trying to hide your lie about being wrong - yet again - by trying to spin it now that you always thought that it almost 'probably' did start in China all along!!!

You are an absolute joke!

No wonder I look forward to my daily laugh at you.

So yet again...



You really are obsessed in proving me wrong!

What a plonker you truly are!

Thanks for today's laughs though!

Stay safe nutjob!


Oh and we are all still waiting for your explanation as to how you would have done things differently to Anderson in running the club which was insolvent and in debt to the tune of £186m, in order to 'rape and pillage' to enrich himself, as you proclaimed loudly and daily that was what he was doing!

You are full of shit and absolutely hate it that I can see right through your lies and deceit.

Have a nice day!

Thanks. I'm having a lovely day apart from the building work on my house being delayed because the gas meter needs moving and some lad drove up from London to tell me he couldn't do it because a 3 ft pipe coming into the building is owned by Cadent and he's not legally allowed to touch it - so another delay and they're talking 8 to 10 weeks FFS which means my builder will be off on another job.
The meter needs to be moved 2ft BTW.

Norpig wrote:Sluffy when are you going to cotton on that Lusty is winding you up just to see you fly off the handle?

You reckon that's what he's doing?

Because I don't, he's spouted bollocks on here for years, claimed he knew what Anderson was up to as Wanderlust was a Business Consultant and 'knew' about these things.  He even went on to ww's to join the crowd hatred over there about Anderson and told them how Ken was raping and pillaging the club - until it was pointed out to him that he was talking out of his arse when it came to understanding even basic accounts and was wrong by the tune of no less than £186m!  He soon shut up then!

Were you and everyone else on here who agreed with his views about Anderson at the time, only doing so to wind me up too?  No you clearly wern't and neither was Wanderlust when he was posting daily what a 'theif' Anderson was and that I knew 'fuck all' about business whilst he did!

That wasn't him attempting to wind me up - that was him believing he knew considerably better than me - and history now proves he didn't.

He's droned on for four years about Brexit - a thread I've seldom posted on in all that time - about how stupid people where to vote for it - then he admits on ww's that he VOTED FOR BREXIT himself!!!

So how is he winding me up about that - as I say I don't even post about Brexit - other to point out that he VOTED FOR IT.

How do you reckon he's wound me up about his knowledge of government - which I've spent my career in - based on his knowledge of working in a NON GOVERNMENT organisation - it's simply pathetically laughable to me not winding me up.

He posts bullshit across the forum, on threads I take no part it, he's got comments and views about almost everything - is he saying them just to wind me up too?  Nah he's saying them because he wants to be seen as knowledgeable and informed about things by others - not because he's doing it simply for me to bite.

No, he is what he is, I'm fairly certain like me and you, he posts as he is in real life, and in his case he is an opinionated bullshitter, who likes to believe he's knowledgable about almost everything and doesn't like to be proved wrong.

He's no doubt making out to you and probably others that he is simply posting to 'yank my chain' but he's not, that's just his excuse for covering himself that he's been shown to be wrong.

I know he's your mate and you probably get on just fine with him but look a bit deeper and you'll see this isn't about winding me up, this is about him having the need to be validated on a social media platform as being some sort of leader/influencer/font of knowledge/a bon viveur/a humerous person/etc, etc than anything else.

His need is to be liked and respected/admired.

I feel sorry for him in a way actually.

Obviously something missing in his real life for him to need to get it from off here.

Sluffy wrote:


Obviously something missing in his real life for him to need to get it from off here.

It's you I'm missing, lover

wanderlust wrote:

Sluffy wrote:Obviously something missing in his real life for him to need to get it from off here.

It's you I'm missing, lover

Well you follow me about the boards looking for attention, that's clear to everyone but I'm certainly not interested in 'needy' people seeking 'validation' of themselves because they aren't finding it their real life, thank you very much.

If any of you want to see the extent of the 'tentacles' extending from China, into everyday things around us, no need to look further than at the 3 towers being built in Liverpool, or just type 'warrington' into you tube to see there are Chinese people going around scouting for houses in Warrington (for some strange reason i could find no other cities or towns) for properties and in some cases whole new estates to purchase ( i shit thee not).  they put video, and photographs including the current prices on there too.

RangersDave wrote:If any of you want to see the extent of the 'tentacles' extending from China, into everyday things around us, no need to look further than at the 3 towers being built in Liverpool, or just type 'warrington' into you tube to see there are Chinese people going around scouting for houses in Warrington (for some strange reason i could find no other cities or towns) for properties and in some cases whole new estates to purchase ( i shit thee not).  they put video, and photographs including the current prices on there too.

George Formby is buried in Warrington. I knew there'd be trouble.

Went to The Gambia a few years ago and it was incredibly poor with most people outside Banjul living in shacks and scraping a living from fishing with hand made wooden boats The locals had to sell on the good stuff e.g. butter fish to the tourists leaving them with small bony fish that they had to grind up to make edible. 
The government did an infrastructure deal with the Chinese part of which meant huge backhanders to the officials but more importantly gave the Chinese fishing rights. Within a year they’d brought in massive factory ships that hoovered up everything along the coast causing widespread hunger.
In Africa many leaders are delighted to do deals with the Chinese for personal enrichment at the expense of the people. It’s British style colonialism 200 years on.

This was quite interesting, until I got to the last sentence. 
Why is it you never miss an opportunity to denigrate anything British. Why do you still live in this country, or is it for selfish purposes like the NHS, pensions, and an easy life?