wanderlust wrote:As I've been saying for a while Sluffy, the figures the Government give out are at complete odds with the ONS excess deaths data. I have absolutely no doubt that this is purely for political reasons i.e. to try to cover up their complete and abject failure.
Whilst excess deaths data isn't a perfect measure, it's pretty damned close and because it takes a lot of the unknown variables out of the equation* it is far more useful for getting a handle on the real picture AND for comparing performance in controlling the virus with other countries - which is probably the last thing the Government wants as they are the worst performing.
* the only unknown variable is how many of the additional deaths are due to Covid - and given that there is no reported upsurge in any other cause of death it's likely to be just about all of them.
If so, pushing 70 thousand Brits have perished from it.
That's as high as the total number of UK civilian deaths during the Blitz, the rest of WW2, soldiers in the Falkland War, the Afghan War and the Iraq War all put together.
No offence Lusty and I realise you can't be in a happy place with what's happening to your brother but you are simply talking out of your backside based purely on your political bias/hatred of Johnson/Cummings.
All the figures the government have given out have been in complete accord with the ONS, the exception being what was reported as the number of people tested total - because one person may have had to have more than one test on the same day.
Indeed it was the Office for Statistical Regulation who complained about how this total was being reported and the government has since stopped doing so, and have been explicit in their wording at briefings ever since.
All the details of the information on the data sources and methodology used are there to view on the governments official website - and has been from the very start.
So it's no cover up or attempt to mislead as you no doubt believe by reading such conspiracy shit on social media (which of course you tell us you don't go on - yeah right!).
Ironically it looks from a superficial view at least that part of the reason pillar 2 information has stopped being reported and contributed to the delay for details in respect of Leicester (and other places perhaps) is directly down to the complaint by the OSR above!
For example this is what it reports today (which it does every day - updating/claying what the true figures are -
"30 June notes
To ensure consistent reporting across all pillars we have paused reporting the number of people tested due to an issue with the data for pillar 2. There are a small percentage of cases in pillar 2 where a person has been tested more than once or tested positive for coronavirus more than once. Any incorrect figures identified will be corrected.
The total number of tests has been revised since yesterday’s total after the following changes to the historical data:
2,464 tests added to the pillar 1 cumulative total
485 tests added to the pillar 2 cumulative total
The daily tests reported today have been added to this revised total rather than the total reported yesterday, so the cumulative total today is 2,949 higher than if you added the daily tests to yesterday’s total.
For pillar 2, the cumulative number of in-person tests today is 229 lower than if you added the daily tests to yesterday’s total, and the cumulative number of delivery route tests is 714 higher".https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public
As I say, it's all there, nothing hidden or untoward - just that pillar 2 data is subject to change on a daily basis, based on information received and collated together - which presumably leads to the delays such as happened for Leicester.
I could also rip a big hole in your rant about deaths (based again on your political bias/hatred) if I wished to but I'd just be wasting my breath as you won't be reasoned with and you utterly refuse to be seen to be wrong about anything.
We could only do what we could based on the knowledge and resources we had at the time. We also have to take into account issues such as poverty/housing/multi-generations, BAME, health of the population, population density, London being a world transport hub, etc, etc, etc.
If we could go back and do it again no doubt a number of things would have been done differently but we are all wiser after the event than before it.
I still say though that if Leicester had 950 positive results in the last two weeks (above those they already knew about), then a number of them would have required hospitalisation and surely that must been a significant rise and what they had been experiencing from the start of June.
Somebody somewhere should have been asking the question in Leicester why are the numbers going up and not down!
Fwiw a thought crossed my mind some weeks back when many people were repatriated from India, who faced no tests or quarantine period (apart from doing it voluntary at home) when they returned to this country.
Checking back now these flights brought home 16,500 people around about the beginning to mid Mayhttps://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-announces-more-flights-to-bring-stranded-brits-home-from-india
Also the same/similar happened from Pakistan -https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/pakistan/return-to-the-uk
From mid May to the beginning of June is just two weeks - and Leicester's problems started around about that time onwards.
From the article in The Mail I linked to above I read this -
A councillor representing the area at the epicentre of Leicester’s coronavirus outbreak has criticised the Government for not acting quicker to tackle the increase in cases.Councillor Rashmikant Joshi represents the North Evington ward, which has the highest number of cases in the city.
Following a spike of 800-plus Covid-19 cases in Leicester since mid-June, North Evington accounts for almost 200 of them, according to the latest figures seen by Mr Joshi.Almost 60% of North Evington’s population is of South Asian background
, which Mr Joshi claims may account for the coronavirus increase in the area. North Evington is made up of tightly packed terraced homes and is the site of a number of religious places of worship and busy shops.
He said: ‘We have a lot of inter-generational households, where young people live with their grandparents. South Asians also tend to live in larger family groups, which increases the risk of infection.
‘Since the easing of the lockdown, a lot of youngsters have been going out more and not maintaining social distance. There’s a high chance that they came home and passed on the virus to elderly relatives.’
Mr Joshi, 62 maintained that health and economic factors could also have played a significant part in the coronavirus increase.
He said: ‘A lot of people in this community also have underlying health conditions, which makes them more vulnerable to coronavirus. They also work in low paid jobs and continued working throughout the lockdown and were going out more than people in other, more affluent areas.’
The councillor revealed that his wife and a number of his relatives had also contracted coronavirus over the past three months and that he had been in self-isolation on three separate occasions.
Mr Joshi added: ‘We still don’t know the exact reasons as to why North Evington and Leicester have had a high number of coronavirus cases. We have asked the Government for a fuller breakdown of the figures but have still not received them.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8473769/The-36-areas-England-Covid-19-cases-RISING.html
North Evington has a 68% ethnic Asian population as per the 2011 Censushttps://www.citypopulation.de/en/uk/eastmidlands/wards/leicester/E05010469__north_evington/
All just a big coincidence?