The God Delusion

I am reading The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. It's pretty thought provoking stuff. I never really understood the idea of natural selection until now (albeit a still limited understanding) and it's meaning is better than I ever thought.

The book also goes into great detail about belief in God and faith and so on and argues why the idea of an all seeing, all knowing (and so on) God is unreasonable and also the reasons why people believe in a God are unreasonable and unsupported too. It also covers why Scientists dispute the notion that complex life was designed by an intelligent force/god/creator. It's a really interesting read.

I wondered if anyone else has read the book or what they think on the matter.

jayjay23 wrote:I am reading The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. It's pretty thought provoking stuff. I never really understood the idea of natural selection until now (albeit a still limited understanding) and it's meaning is better than I ever thought.

The book also goes into great detail about belief in God and faith and so on and argues why the idea of an all seeing, all knowing (and so on) God is unreasonable and also the reasons why people believe in a God are unreasonable and unsupported too. It also covers why Scientists dispute the notion that complex life was designed by an intelligent force/god/creator. It's a really interesting read.

I wondered if anyone else has read the book or what they think on the matter.

I have the book, personally I think Dawkins is an asshole.

Angry Dad wrote:

jayjay23 wrote:I am reading The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. It's pretty thought provoking stuff. I never really understood the idea of natural selection until now (albeit a still limited understanding) and it's meaning is better than I ever thought.

The book also goes into great detail about belief in God and faith and so on and argues why the idea of an all seeing, all knowing (and so on) God is unreasonable and also the reasons why people believe in a God are unreasonable and unsupported too. It also covers why Scientists dispute the notion that complex life was designed by an intelligent force/god/creator. It's a really interesting read.

I wondered if anyone else has read the book or what they think on the matter.

I have the book, personally I think Dawkins is an asshole.

well reasoned AD.

I've not read that book but watched loads of debates and interviews with Dawkins and he is a fantastic orator and i've not found an occasion where i don't agree with what he's saying.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:

jayjay23 wrote:I am reading The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. It's pretty thought provoking stuff. I never really understood the idea of natural selection until now (albeit a still limited understanding) and it's meaning is better than I ever thought.

The book also goes into great detail about belief in God and faith and so on and argues why the idea of an all seeing, all knowing (and so on) God is unreasonable and also the reasons why people believe in a God are unreasonable and unsupported too. It also covers why Scientists dispute the notion that complex life was designed by an intelligent force/god/creator. It's a really interesting read.

I wondered if anyone else has read the book or what they think on the matter.

I have the book, personally I think Dawkins is an asshole.

well reasoned AD.

I've not read that book but watched loads of debates and interviews with Dawkins and he is a fantastic orator and i've not found an occasion where i don't agree with what he's saying.

Good for you, I have seen him too and he has started to back off on some things he has said. I cut to the chase I don't fart around with fancy words I find I dissagree with a lot of what he spouts and asshole suits him fine for me.

The God Delusion is a great book and provides convincing arguments as to why there is no god or gods. Religion can be good for some people but all fanatics are dangerous lunatics.

Atheists like Dawkins have come in for a lot of attacks recently, including the ludicrous assertion that being an atheist is the same as having a religious belief.

There has never been any proof of the existence of god. People either believe or don't believe. Evidence isn't a factor.

There is one simple question believers can never answer: if god exists who created him/her/it?

Angry Dad wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:

jayjay23 wrote:I am reading The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. It's pretty thought provoking stuff. I never really understood the idea of natural selection until now (albeit a still limited understanding) and it's meaning is better than I ever thought.

The book also goes into great detail about belief in God and faith and so on and argues why the idea of an all seeing, all knowing (and so on) God is unreasonable and also the reasons why people believe in a God are unreasonable and unsupported too. It also covers why Scientists dispute the notion that complex life was designed by an intelligent force/god/creator. It's a really interesting read.

I wondered if anyone else has read the book or what they think on the matter.

I have the book, personally I think Dawkins is an asshole.

well reasoned AD.

I've not read that book but watched loads of debates and interviews with Dawkins and he is a fantastic orator and i've not found an occasion where i don't agree with what he's saying.

Good for you, I have seen him too and he has started to back off on some things he has said. I cut to the chase I don't fart around with fancy words I find I dissagree with a lot of what he spouts and asshole suits him fine for me.

riiight.

everything he "spouts" is just scientifically tested facts. I find it hard to understand how anyone can disagree with that.

xmiles wrote:The God Delusion is a great book and provides convincing arguments as to why there is no god or gods. Religion can be good for some people but all fanatics are dangerous lunatics.

Atheists like Dawkins have come in for a lot of attacks recently, including the ludicrous assertion that being an atheist is the same as having a religious belief.

There has never been any proof of the existence of god. People either believe or don't believe. Evidence isn't a factor.

There is one simple question believers can never answer: if god exists who created him/her/it?

Another one of my favourites is "atheists are responsible for the most blood shed, Hitler, Stalin etc etc" change the record!

My take on the matter is that everyone is entitled to their own belief system. I believe in God and I also believe that I am entitled to believe in him without people who don't trying to prove to me that he doesn't exist. If you try to force your belief system on me, I believe that you are an asshole. I believe that I should not try to force my belief on you. I believe that people who believe different things should be able to peacefully co-exist.I believe that differing views should be able to be aired without name-calling and violence.

Thank you.

How is he trying to force his opinion on you? He wrote a book, i assume you didn't read it, so what harm has it done to you? none. He's asked to give interviews and answers questions, don't want to see them? Don't watch them. He's invited to debate with people, don't like it? Don't watch them.

I can't remember the last time i had an Atheist knock on my door or put a leaflet through my box with "the truth" written on it.

I always laugh when religious types acuse Atheists of "forcing their views."

And i assume you're joking with the name calling and violence line.

When did atheists ever force their belief system on anybody?

Unlike many if not most religions.

I'm sick of the anti-God crowd on here. When we're all dead I'm going to laugh my new tits off at the non-believers who will be forced to sepnd eternity watching re-runs of Owen Coyle's post match interviews.

I'm not "anti-god" in the slightest I'm anti "no evidence"

I like to explore all sides of the debate, but at the moment, I'm afraid science "wins" hands down.

And i don't understand why testing theories and reporting on your findings makes you an "asshole"

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:

jayjay23 wrote:I am reading The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. It's pretty thought provoking stuff. I never really understood the idea of natural selection until now (albeit a still limited understanding) and it's meaning is better than I ever thought.

The book also goes into great detail about belief in God and faith and so on and argues why the idea of an all seeing, all knowing (and so on) God is unreasonable and also the reasons why people believe in a God are unreasonable and unsupported too. It also covers why Scientists dispute the notion that complex life was designed by an intelligent force/god/creator. It's a really interesting read.

I wondered if anyone else has read the book or what they think on the matter.

I have the book, personally I think Dawkins is an asshole.

well reasoned AD.

I've not read that book but watched loads of debates and interviews with Dawkins and he is a fantastic orator and i've not found an occasion where i don't agree with what he's saying.

Good for you, I have seen him too and he has started to back off on some things he has said. I cut to the chase I don't fart around with fancy words I find I dissagree with a lot of what he spouts and asshole suits him fine for me.

riiight.

everything he "spouts" is just scientifically tested facts. I find it hard to understand how anyone can disagree with that.

well he's actually said recently that it's possible there is god. He's like that bloke in the pub on the fast show,he's starting to doubt his beliefs.

He's always said he's not 100% certain there is NO god but he's 99.999999%

As all proper scientists should be, completely open minded and willing to test all theories.

the burden of proof lies with the people who believe in God, not the other way round.

God ? He is about as real as Santa Claus!

Hipster_Nebula wrote:How is he trying to force his opinion on you? He wrote a book, i assume you didn't read it, so what harm has it done to you? none. He's asked to give interviews and answers questions, don't want to see them? Don't watch them. He's invited to debate with people, don't like it? Don't watch them.

I can't remember the last time i had an Atheist knock on my door or put a leaflet through my box with "the truth" written on it.

I always laugh when religious types acuse Atheists of "forcing their views."

And i assume you're joking with the name calling and violence line.

Come now, Hipster - if you're going to respond to my posts, read them first and understand what I say. I never suggested he has forced his views on me, I said if he tried to, I would think he is an asshole. He has his views and I have mine. I don't come on here and tell anyone they ought to believe in God (as much as I think they should) because I am not trying to force my views on anyone and become the asshole I described. Regarding the name calling and violence, I was referring to behaviour such as the killing of the American Ambassador in Libya. All extremists are too extreme in my humble opinion. I was merely listing a few of my beliefs. To each, his own. Surely not all atheists are as aggressive in putting their views forward as you are?

xmiles wrote:The God Delusion is a great book and provides convincing arguments as to why there is no god or gods. Religion can be good for some people but all fanatics are dangerous lunatics.

Atheists like Dawkins have come in for a lot of attacks recently, including the ludicrous assertion that being an atheist is the same as having a religious belief.

There has never been any proof of the existence of god. People either believe or don't believe. Evidence isn't a factor.

There is one simple question believers can never answer: if god exists who created him/her/it?

Read the bible the answer is there . There's nothing for believers to answer to anyone.

Hipster. Love your posts on here but you went in a bit hard on Keegan - I think his comments were generalised.

And can I just say to the God people, will you stop saying that non-believers try to force their "beliefs" - beliefs being the keyword here. To not believe in something is not a belief - it is just nothing, blank, null. To not think that something exists (for which there is no proof or evidence) is not a belief.

If I said that little men live inside all the lightbulbs in your home and they work really hard inside you may think me a bit of a loon but you may think I genuinely believe it. But for you wouldn't class yourself as holding a belief sytem about lightbulb men because you didn't agree.

Angry Dad wrote:

xmiles wrote:The God Delusion is a great book and provides convincing arguments as to why there is no god or gods. Religion can be good for some people but all fanatics are dangerous lunatics.

Atheists like Dawkins have come in for a lot of attacks recently, including the ludicrous assertion that being an atheist is the same as having a religious belief.

There has never been any proof of the existence of god. People either believe or don't believe. Evidence isn't a factor.

There is one simple question believers can never answer: if god exists who created him/her/it?

Read the bible the answer is there . There's nothing for believers to answer to anyone.

The answer is most certainly not there. I have read the bible more than most people on here put together. Any evidence for God is weak. And honestly, who could realistically think that the bible's own views are correct anyway?

Hipster_Nebula wrote:He's always said he's not 100% certain there is NO god but he's 99.999999%

As all proper scientists should be, completely open minded and willing to test all theories.

the burden of proof lies with the people who believe in God, not the other way round.

you have that the wrong way round. Believers don't have to prove anything to anyone, it's the scientists that seem to want to disprove god.