The God Delusion

Keegan wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:How is he trying to force his opinion on you? He wrote a book, i assume you didn't read it, so what harm has it done to you? none. He's asked to give interviews and answers questions, don't want to see them? Don't watch them. He's invited to debate with people, don't like it? Don't watch them.

I can't remember the last time i had an Atheist knock on my door or put a leaflet through my box with "the truth" written on it.

I always laugh when religious types acuse Atheists of "forcing their views."

And i assume you're joking with the name calling and violence line.

Come now, Hipster - if you're going to respond to my posts, read them first and understand what I say. I never suggested he has forced his views on me, I said if he tried to, I would think he is an asshole. He has his views and I have mine. I don't come on here and tell anyone they ought to believe in God (as much as I think they should) because I am not trying to force my views on anyone and become the asshole I described. Regarding the name calling and violence, I was referring to behaviour such as the killing of the American Ambassador in Libya. All extremists are too extreme in my humble opinion. I was merely listing a few of my beliefs. To each, his own. Surely not all atheists are as aggressive in putting their views forward as you are?

Hipster. Love your posts on here but you went in a bit hard on Keegan

Read the bible the answer is there . There's nothing for believers to answer to anyone.

Angry Dad wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:He's always said he's not 100% certain there is NO god but he's 99.999999%

As all proper scientists should be, completely open minded and willing to test all theories.

the burden of proof lies with the people who believe in God, not the other way round.

you have that the wrong way round. Believers don't have to prove anything to anyone, it's the scientists that seem to want to disprove god.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:I'm not agressive in the slightest. But I'm allowed a riposte, if anyone finds my views offensive, or "agressive" (not sure why they would) I'm not really bothered. Religion is a subject i have a vast interest in.

I call my self an Atheist but I'm also open to discussing other peoples experiences and views I'm not a shut book, like 99% of religious people. And thats what i resent. Religious people who "know" the "truth" It's indescribably arrogant, and yet whenever a debate comes up it's always the "atheists" who are labelled "agressive" when they're actually the only ones IMO who have an open mind.

Angry Dad wrote:

xmiles wrote:The God Delusion is a great book and provides convincing arguments as to why there is no god or gods. Religion can be good for some people but all fanatics are dangerous lunatics.

Atheists like Dawkins have come in for a lot of attacks recently, including the ludicrous assertion that being an atheist is the same as having a religious belief.

There has never been any proof of the existence of god. People either believe or don't believe. Evidence isn't a factor.

There is one simple question believers can never answer: if god exists who created him/her/it?

Read the bible the answer is there . There's nothing for believers to answer to anyone.

Angry Dad wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:He's always said he's not 100% certain there is NO god but he's 99.999999%

As all proper scientists should be, completely open minded and willing to test all theories.

the burden of proof lies with the people who believe in God, not the other way round.

you have that the wrong way round. Believers don't have to prove anything to anyone, it's the scientists that seem to want to disprove god.

xmiles wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:

xmiles wrote:The God Delusion is a great book and provides convincing arguments as to why there is no god or gods. Religion can be good for some people but all fanatics are dangerous lunatics.

Atheists like Dawkins have come in for a lot of attacks recently, including the ludicrous assertion that being an atheist is the same as having a religious belief.

There has never been any proof of the existence of god. People either believe or don't believe. Evidence isn't a factor.

There is one simple question believers can never answer: if god exists who created him/her/it?

Read the bible the answer is there . There's nothing for believers to answer to anyone.

I have read the bible but I missed the bit where it says who created god. Please tell me precisely where it answers that question.

Angry Dad wrote:This for all you lot that say you have read the bible and you are asking stupidly who created god. Pay attention now, the bible says god has always existed ,he did not come from anywhere. He is without beginning or end. He is infinite,he is outside the realm of time. Time has no meaning to god he is beyond eternity even. To ask where god came from is to ask a question that cannot be applied to god in the first place because time has no meaning with god in relation to who he is. Time exists when matter exists as humans we can't comprehend the notion of gods existence, as god is not matter he created matter. To us the notion of time is linear, we see a beginning and an end ,god is beyond the chart .Its simple he has always been. How could he have a creator, that would mean he was not god. I will say no more on the matter. If anyone thinks its a fairy story that's up to you good luck with that.

Angry Dad wrote:This for all you lot that say you have read the bible and you are asking stupidly who created god. Pay attention now, the bible says god has always existed ,he did not come from anywhere. He is without beginning or end. He is infinite,he is outside the realm of time. Time has no meaning to god he is beyond eternity even. To ask where god came from is to ask a question that cannot be applied to god in the first place because time has no meaning with god in relation to who he is. Time exists when matter exists as humans we can't comprehend the notion of gods existence, as god is not matter he created matter. To us the notion of time is linear, we see a beginning and an end ,god is beyond the chart .Its simple he has always been. How could he have a creator, that would mean he was not god. I will say no more on the matter. If anyone thinks its a fairy story that's up to you good luck with that.

Angry Dad wrote:I have faith it costs me nothing, I won't go to hell for not going to church. I sin all the time I'm human . Doing good things won't get me to heaven either, my sins are forgiven even the ones I have not done yet because I have done one thing that was asked of me. It's a great deal and a very simple one to comply with and if it turns out there's nothing at the end you won't know anything about it,but if there is something ........you really don't want to spend eternity in hell. Just think what eternity means let it sink in ,no end to your torment and don't think you will be with your mates ,you won't you will be alone in your torment drowning in a pit of despair and never ending sorrow but what the fuck Dawkins was a good read and well worth an eternity of despair.

Angry Dad wrote:I have faith it costs me nothing, I won't go to hell for not going to church. I sin all the time I'm human . Doing good things won't get me to heaven either, my sins are forgiven even the ones I have not done yet because I have done one thing that was asked of me. It's a great deal and a very simple one to comply with and if it turns out there's nothing at the end you won't know anything about it,but if there is something ........you really don't want to spend eternity in hell. Just think what eternity means let it sink in ,no end to your torment and don't think you will be with your mates ,you won't you will be alone in your torment drowning in a pit of despair and never ending sorrow but what the fuck Dawkins was a good read and well worth an eternity of despair.

xmiles wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:I have faith it costs me nothing, I won't go to hell for not going to church. I sin all the time I'm human . Doing good things won't get me to heaven either, my sins are forgiven even the ones I have not done yet because I have done one thing that was asked of me. It's a great deal and a very simple one to comply with and if it turns out there's nothing at the end you won't know anything about it,but if there is something ........you really don't want to spend eternity in hell. Just think what eternity means let it sink in ,no end to your torment and don't think you will be with your mates ,you won't you will be alone in your torment drowning in a pit of despair and never ending sorrow but what the fuck Dawkins was a good read and well worth an eternity of despair.

You seem to be saying that there is a rational reason for believing in god in that if you do you won't go to hell, and if there is no god you have lost nothing. So to paraphrase: your god is so petty and cruel that if you don't believe in him you will be punished for eternity when you die even if you lived a good life. Sounds evil to me. I'd rather believe in the tooth fairy.