How is the Tory government doing?

wanderlust wrote:Let's face it - anyone with an ounce of honesty and morality would be an upgrade - ideally someone whose primary motivation was to do a good job for the country rather than to cling on to power.

Have you already forgotten you said this just a couple of days ago???

wanderlust wrote:My actual answer to the question "who should replace Blojo is best expressed by Carl May in his BBC interview (twitter below)

‘You’re asking me to pick my favourite flavour of animal poo there’

Carl May is all of us. pic.twitter.com/SU20oOA1Gw

— Laugh And Let Die Entertainment (@LaughLetDie) April 13, 2022

   

What will happen the next time Boris needs to insist on something unpalatable that requires the public to follow? How many will tell him what he can do with his rules and edicts?

I just love it. Boris ain’t going anywhere but keep posting your vitriolic headlines. We ALL know what he did but since the MAJORITY know they themselves broke or ignored some of the rules at times, the MAJORITY of the public would rather concentrate on more important matters. Before they voted for him as PM in massive numbers, everyone was aware, or should have been, that he was of questionable character so it’s a bit rich complaining about it now. The fact is that people voted for him because of his track record of getting projects done. It’s a bit like the garden bridge which people like to hold against him. Stupid and expensive idea of course but hardly the crime of the century. People voted for Boris to get Brexit done, to level up the U.K. He got Brexit done but has been hammered like no other PM since by factors outside of his control. If he can aid Ukraine in fighting off the Russians, alleviate the suffering caused by the energy costs and in his last two years in charge deliver many of the plans in place to create jobs in the North and Midlands on the levelling up agenda, by the time the next election comes round, the majority will have forgiven if not forgotten all this Partygate stuff. They say a week is a long time in politics so two years is a lifetime and more than enough for BoJo to turn this around.

63 do you really believe all this levelling up bollocks? It was an election ploy to break up the red wall and it worked.

Whitesince63 wrote:I just love it. Boris ain’t going anywhere but keep posting your vitriolic headlines. We ALL know what he did but since the MAJORITY know they themselves broke or ignored some of the rules at times, the MAJORITY of the public would rather concentrate on more important matters. Before they voted for him as PM in massive numbers, everyone was aware, or should have been, that he was of questionable character so it’s a bit rich complaining about it now. The fact is that people voted for him because of his track record of getting projects done. It’s a bit like the garden bridge which people like to hold against him. Stupid and expensive idea of course but hardly the crime of the century. People voted for Boris to get Brexit done, to level up the U.K. He got Brexit done but has been hammered like no other PM since by factors outside of his control. If he can aid Ukraine in fighting off the Russians, alleviate the suffering caused by the energy costs and in his last two years in charge deliver many of the plans in place to create jobs in the North and Midlands on the levelling up agenda, by the time the next election comes round, the majority will have forgiven if not forgotten all this Partygate stuff. They say a week is a long time in politics so two years is a lifetime and more than enough for BoJo to turn this around.

Mate - they're not MY headlines - it's what the papers are saying.

And the latest polls show that 58% of all voters think both Johnson and Sunak should resign, only 27% don't think Johnson is a liar (they think "he was misleading but did not deliberately lie") Analysis of the polls by party shows that a third of Tory voters think they should go.

But it also means there is a substantial chunk of Tories who believe Johnson is a liar, but still want him to stay as leader which is a sad indictment of where the Tory party is at. I guess you're in that group?

As I keep saying, he won't be going yet, especially as the Tory party is pulling out all the stops to block the parliamentary investigation.

We'll see how things stand after he gets more fines and the local elections have taken place.

Boris may be staying for now, but the pressure won't be going away any time soon, especially as he can't stop f****** up.

Always good for a laugh James O'Brien but he excels himself here with his phone in about "how do you defend a law-breaking liar?"

Norpig wrote:63 do you really believe all this levelling up bollocks? It was an election ploy to break up the red wall and it worked.

Spot on!

Norpig wrote:63 do you really believe all this levelling up bollocks? It was an election ploy to break up the red wall and it worked.

Actually I do believe it Norpig. If Boris is to have any chance of holding on to seats won in the North and Midlands, then he just has to. His main problem is that by doing so he risks losing seats in the South but since there is currently no realistic alternative, I think it’s a risk he is willing to take. I prefer to take a pragmatic rather than emotional response to things and whilst I think everyone can see the reality of Partygate, I still believe most people will grin and bear against more important matters.

I think if the Labour Party continues this line up to the next election instead of concentrating on more important matters, it will be to their detriment. Whilst Partygate is in the headlines people will discuss it but in reality, most agree that there are far more important matters for the government to be concentrating on. Partygate is done, it’s yesterday, the cost of living, green taxes, war in Ukraine and immigration are here now and affect people today and going forward. Most people are realists and can see that without denying that what Boris and co. did was wrong, but it’s history now and we should move on.

karlypants wrote:

Norpig wrote:63 do you really believe all this levelling up bollocks? It was an election ploy to break up the red wall and it worked.

Spot on!

Was it even an electoral ploy?

I would have thought most northern voters at the time voted for a choice between Johnson and Corbyn and delivering Brexit.

As far as I was concerned Corbyn was simply unelectable and Johnson was simply the lesser evil of the two.

Fwiw I still think that, I certainly don't believe Corbyn would have been backing the Ukraine as we are doing under Johnson - a hard leftist leaning Corbyn denouncing Putin and Russia and supporting with arms to a 'Jewish' Ukrainian President???

It is what it is - Johnson was elected by a landslide because nobody wanted Corbyn.

We get what we deserve as they say - neither Johnson or Corbyn should have been anywhere near the leadership of their parties if morals were important to politicians.

Johnson should NOT be the Prime Minister of this country - that is clear to ALL people who believe in truth, honesty and integrity.

The question I keep coming back to though is should Johnson go now (forget about the bollocks the likes of O'Brien spouts - having no, or a caretaker PM, whilst an election takes place for one WILL directly effect what aid can be given to Ukraine under the country's executive power invested in the role of the Prime Ministers Office) or go when the Ukrainian conflict is stable and hopefully resolved?

Whitesince63 wrote:
Actually I do believe it Norpig. If Boris is to have any chance of holding on to seats won in the North and Midlands, then he just has to. His main problem is that by doing so he risks losing seats in the South but since there is currently no realistic alternative, I think it’s a risk he is willing to take. I prefer to take a pragmatic rather than emotional response to things and whilst I think everyone can see the reality of Partygate, I still believe most people will grin and bear against more important matters.

Two things: The levelling up thing is shaping up as yet another broken electoral promise and the longer it goes on - and thereby nearer to the general election - the more disenchanted voters in the North will become.....and one of the aspects of Partygate is that if "attention is turned towards more important matters" the government is further undermined if the PM is lying and merely adding to the trail of disinformation and broken promises he invariably leaves.

In fact it might suit Blojo better if he doesn't mention the important matters as it will only highlight the botch job they've done so far.

He needs a new distraction and bar declaring war on someone he's running out of ideas.

The fact is Lusty, whether you like it or not, Boris still has a charisma that no other politician today has and however much you go on about trust ability, when it comes to voting at the next election, it will still win him votes. Unless Labour can unearth a similar figure as leader, I’m afraid BoJo is going to be elected again. Whatever happens he won’t resign and the Tory party won’t eject him simply because like Labour, they don’t have a candidate either. That might illustrate a sorry state but I’m afraid that’s where we are. Look, I may not be representative of the majority, although I believe I’m not far off, but I can’t see anyone better to lead the party. Whilst I’m seriously annoyed with some of the things he’s done, or not done, I still would vote for him in a leadership contest. People will say all sorts in a poll but when it comes to the real one, they go with their gut and that’s why when they look at the alternatives they’ll go with Boris again.

He has charisma? Are you really sure about that? 

karlypants wrote:He has charisma? Are you really sure about that? 

We’ll whatever you’d want to call it Karly, he has a certain something. How else could a lying, cheating, disingenuous individual like Boris still be allowed, even encouraged to stay in place? He certainly has something that no other politician today has!! 🥴‍

Oh for a leader like NZ's Jacinda Ardern:- 

"I would like to think that we can see a new range of leadership traits being modelled where kindness isn't seen as weakness, where empathy is actually how we understand our decisions impact on our people. And when we start to model those, I hope then that within the public, they see a little bit more of themselves."

okocha wrote:Oh for a leader like NZ's Jacinda Ardern.... 

Ms Ardern's leadership style has been the subject of much debate - her fans say she is the real deal, authentic and empathetic, just what a politician should and can be. Her critics however, say it's more talk than action, more style than substance - and that she struggles to manifest the commitments she's made to her people.

But Ms Ardern has been criticised by her political opponents - her policies have been called "bumbling" and her government has accused of being "asleep at the wheel" - for failing to move the country out of lockdown faster.

That's led in recent surveys to her lowest approval ratings since she was elected.

Ms Ardern was non-plussed - saying that the lower ratings were perhaps a price she had to pay, to keep New Zealanders safe, "to ultimately make sure that we've made the right decisions along the way, and that we can sleep at night".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-61160207

The Information Commissioner’s Office has said it will not proceed with a criminal prosecution against two people suspected of obtaining and disclosing CCTV footage from the Department of Health and Social Care.